No, but it sounkds like you are.

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On 2/17/2025 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So you are in favor of teachers pushing white supremacy with full KKK regalia on display?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2025 10:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website (www.doge.gov)

Who says they don't?

bp
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On 2/17/2025 7:00 AM, Chuck wrote:
Why should a black student have to have the stars and bars everyday.  Jewish school kid see the nazi flag at the front of the classroom everyday.
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:



Why should we hide flags that are part of history?

bp
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On 2/16/2025 2:42 PM, Chuck wrote:
Why should school kids have to face controversial special group flags as part of their daily life?
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:



I would include the rainbow, MAGA, and KKK flags in that definition. Probably dozens of others.

bp
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On 2/16/2025 1:28 PM, Chuck wrote:
It is posting flags in school rooms.  Limited to nations, states and NA tribes.  Not at all unreasonable.  Images of other flags can be shown if they contribute to teaching a historical event.
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:06 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:



If it's only posting colors/flags as part of a curriculum, I would support all flags, including KKK and MAGA. Rainbow flags are now part of the historical record, and I would put them in the same category.

I have a completely different view of what flags can be displayed publicly. I suppose it's a free speech issue, but I don't really look approvingly of people who might display KKK, Nazi, or Confederate flags.

bp
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On 2/16/2025 7:04 AM, Chuck wrote:
Images shown as part of a history lesson is far different from posting colors.  They only allow colors from tribes, states and nations to be posted.  I support the proposed law.  Do you really want MAGA and KKK flags to be allowed?
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On Feb 15, 2025, at 7:11 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:



Just saw this.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/utah-law-allow-nazi-confederate-160556024.html

Scratch Utah from the places I want to visit.

bp
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On 2/15/2025 4:55 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I guess you could call the executives that ran ENRON "turnaround artists" as well, I want that sort of behavior far away from my government though. I've heard the argument many times that our institutions will provide the guardrails to keep our democracy healthy. They can't do their job if they no longer exist or are gutted. Hopefully the judicial branch will provide some resistance to this nonsense, but we're going to be staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis if the current administration just ignores judgements they don't like. I'm all for getting rid of bureaucratic bloat and waste, that's not what this is though.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 6:42 PM Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

    When large publically traded companies are on the rocks
    they bring in a new CEO to turn things around, sometimes
    parting it out.  Our nation is the largest publicly owned
    business on the planet.  It has some turn around artists
    at the helm.  Sit back and watch the show. Some good may
    come of all of this.  Highly entertaining at the least.
    The republic is very likely to survive and could actually
    benefit from a good house cleaning,
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    On Feb 15, 2025, at 6:17 PM, Jason McKemie
    <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

    
    This seems about par for the course with these guys.
    Scary stuff.
    I love how this administration uses the term "maximally
    transparent", or some derivation thereof everywhere they
    can.  I guess if you say it enough, it must be true, right?
    On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 5:59 PM Ken Hohhof
    <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:

        https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/

        DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad

        *The source code for the new Department of
        Government Efficiency’s “official US government
        website” points to X as its primary source of
        authority, while sharing links to the site sends
        users to x.com <http://x.com>.*

        At a press conference in the Oval Office
        
<https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/tech/elon-musk-x-oval-office/index.html>
        this week, Elon Musk promised the actions of his
        so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
        <https://www.wired.com/tag/doge/> project would be
        “maximally transparent,” thanks to information
        posted to its website.

        At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was
        empty
        <https://bsky.app/profile/joncooper-us.bsky.social/post/3lhwsmk4iac2u>.
        However, when the site finally came online Thursday
        morning, it turned out to be little more than a
        glorified feed of posts from the official DOGE
        account on Musk’s own X platform, raising new
        questions about Musk’s conflicts of interest in
        running DOGE
        <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293382/x-elon-musk-doge-cfpb>.

        DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the
        United States government,” but rather than giving
        detailed breakdowns of the cost savings and
        efficiencies Musk claims his project is making, the
        homepage of the site just replicated posts from the
        DOGE account on X.

        A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that
        the promotion of Musk’s own platform went deeper
        than replicating the posts on the homepage. The
        source code shows that the site’s canonical tags
        <https://moz.com/learn/seo/canonicalization> direct
        search engines to x.com <http://x.com> rather than
        DOGE.gov.

        A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells
        search engines what the authoritative version of a
        website is. It is typically used by sites with
        multiple pages as a search engine optimization
        tactic, to avoid their search ranking being diluted.

        In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing
        search engines that when people search for content
        found on DOGE.gov, they should not show those pages
        in search results, but should instead display the
        posts on X.

        “It is promoting the X account as the main source,
        with the website secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web
        developer <https://vale.rocks/>, tells WIRED. “This
        isn't usually how things are handled, and it
        indicates that the X account is taking priority over
        the actual website itself.”

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        All the other US government websites WIRED checked
        used their own homepage in their canonical tags,
        including the official White House website.
        Additionally, when sharing the DOGE website on
        mobile devices, the source code creates a link to
        the DOGE X account rather than the website itself.

        “It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and
        they are prodding people in the direction of the X
        account everywhere they can,” Chidlow adds.

        Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of
        Doge.gov labeled “Savings” now appears. So far the
        page is empty except for a single line that reads:
        “Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's
        day,” followed by a heart emoji
        <https://www.wired.com/story/heart-emoji-lost-all-meaning/>.

        A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar
        charts showing how many people work in each
        government agency, with the information coming from
        data gathered by the Office of Personnel Management
        in March 2024.

        A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This
        is DOGE's effort to create a comprehensive,
        government-wide org chart. This is an enormous
        effort, and there are likely some errors or
        omissions. We will continue to strive for maximum
        accuracy over time.”

        Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features
        what DOGE calls the “Unconstitutionality Index,”
        which it describes as “the number of agency rules
        created by unelected bureaucrats for each law passed
        by Congress in 2024.”

        The charts in this section are also based on data
        previously collected by US government agencies.
        Doge.gov also links to a Forbes article from last
        month that was written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a
        member of the Heartland Institute, a conservative
        think tank that pushed climate change disinformation
        
<https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/heartland-institute-leak-exposes-strategies-of-climate-attack-machine/>
        and questioned the links between tobacco and lung
        cancer
        <https://www.tobaccotactics.org/article/heartland-institute/>.
        It is also a major advocate for privatizing
        government departments
        
<https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/in-shift-key-climate-denialist-group-heartland-institute-pivots-to-policy/>.

        The site also features a “Join” page which allows
        prospective DOGE employees to apply for roles
        including “software engineers, InfoSec engineers,
        and other technology professionals.” As well as
        requesting a Github account and résumé, the form
        asks visitors to “provide 2-3 bullet points
        showcasing exceptional ability.”

        The website does not list a developer, but on
        Wednesday, web application security expert Sam Curry
        outlined in a thread on X
        <https://x.com/samwcyo/status/1889527715029557607>
        how he was able to identify the developer of the
        site as DOGE employee Kyle Shutt.

        Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare
        account ID found in the site’s source code to Shutt,
        who used the same account when developing Musk’s
        America PAC
        
<https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-election-denial-community-x/>
        website.

        On Thursday, Drop Site News
        
<https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/doge-fema-funding-access-social-security-numbers>
        reported, citing sources within FEMA, that Shutt had
        gained access to the agency’s proprietary software
        controlling payments. Earlier this week, Business
        Insider reported
        <https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-staff-list-white-house-2025-2>
        that Shutt, who recently worked at an AI
        interviewing software company, was listed as one of
        30 people working for DOGE.

        Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded
        to requests for comment.

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