Why should we hide flags that are part of history?

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On 2/16/2025 2:42 PM, Chuck wrote:
Why should school kids have to face controversial special group flags as part of their daily life?
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:



I would include the rainbow, MAGA, and KKK flags in that definition. Probably dozens of others.

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On 2/16/2025 1:28 PM, Chuck wrote:
It is posting flags in school rooms.  Limited to nations, states and NA tribes.  Not at all unreasonable.  Images of other flags can be shown if they contribute to teaching a historical event.
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:06 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:



If it's only posting colors/flags as part of a curriculum, I would support all flags, including KKK and MAGA. Rainbow flags are now part of the historical record, and I would put them in the same category.

I have a completely different view of what flags can be displayed publicly. I suppose it's a free speech issue, but I don't really look approvingly of people who might display KKK, Nazi, or Confederate flags.


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On 2/16/2025 7:04 AM, Chuck wrote:
Images shown as part of a history lesson is far different from posting colors.  They only allow colors from tribes, states and nations to be posted.  I support the proposed law.  Do you really want MAGA and KKK flags to be allowed?
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On Feb 15, 2025, at 7:11 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:




Just saw this.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/utah-law-allow-nazi-confederate-160556024.html

Scratch Utah from the places I want to visit.

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On 2/15/2025 4:55 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I guess you could call the executives that ran ENRON "turnaround artists" as well, I want that sort of behavior far away from my government though. I've heard the argument many times that our institutions will provide the guardrails to keep our democracy healthy. They can't do their job if they no longer exist or are gutted. Hopefully the judicial branch will provide some resistance to this nonsense, but we're going to be staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis if the current administration just ignores judgements they don't like.

I'm all for getting rid of bureaucratic bloat and waste, that's not what this is though.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 6:42 PM Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

    When large publically traded companies are on the rocks they
    bring in a new CEO to turn things around, sometimes parting
    it out.  Our nation is the largest publicly owned business
    on the planet.  It has some turn around artists at the
    helm.  Sit back and watch the show.  Some good may come of
    all of this.  Highly entertaining at the least. The republic
    is very likely to survive and could actually benefit from a
    good house cleaning,
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    On Feb 15, 2025, at 6:17 PM, Jason McKemie
    <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

    
    This seems about par for the course with these guys.  Scary
    stuff.

    I love how this administration uses the term "maximally
    transparent", or some derivation thereof everywhere they
    can.  I guess if you say it enough, it must be true, right?

    On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 5:59 PM Ken Hohhof
    <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:

        https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/

        DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad

        *The source code for the new Department of Government
        Efficiency’s “official US government website” points to
        X as its primary source of authority, while sharing
        links to the site sends users to x.com <http://x.com>.*

        At a press conference in the Oval Office
        
<https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/tech/elon-musk-x-oval-office/index.html> 
this
        week, Elon Musk promised the actions of his so-called
        Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
        <https://www.wired.com/tag/doge/> project would be
        “maximally transparent,” thanks to information posted
        to its website.

        At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was empty
        <https://bsky.app/profile/joncooper-us.bsky.social/post/3lhwsmk4iac2u>.
        However, when the site finally came online Thursday
        morning, it turned out to be little more than a
        glorified feed of posts from the official DOGE account
        on Musk’s own X platform, raising new questions about
        Musk’s conflicts of interest in running DOGE
        <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293382/x-elon-musk-doge-cfpb>.

        DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the
        United States government,” but rather than giving
        detailed breakdowns of the cost savings and
        efficiencies Musk claims his project is making, the
        homepage of the site just replicated posts from the
        DOGE account on X.

        A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that the
        promotion of Musk’s own platform went deeper than
        replicating the posts on the homepage. The source code
        shows that the site’s canonical tags
        <https://moz.com/learn/seo/canonicalization> direct
        search engines to x.com <http://x.com> rather than
        DOGE.gov.

        A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells search
        engines what the authoritative version of a website is.
        It is typically used by sites with multiple pages as a
        search engine optimization tactic, to avoid their
        search ranking being diluted.

        In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing search
        engines that when people search for content found on
        DOGE.gov, they should not show those pages in search
        results, but should instead display the posts on X.

        “It is promoting the X account as the main source, with
        the website secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web developer
        <https://vale.rocks/>, tells WIRED. “This isn't usually
        how things are handled, and it indicates that the X
        account is taking priority over the actual website itself.”

        Advertisement

        All the other US government websites WIRED checked used
        their own homepage in their canonical tags, including
        the official White House website. Additionally, when
        sharing the DOGE website on mobile devices, the source
        code creates a link to the DOGE X account rather than
        the website itself.

        “It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and they
        are prodding people in the direction of the X account
        everywhere they can,” Chidlow adds.

        Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of
        Doge.gov labeled “Savings” now appears. So far the page
        is empty except for a single line that reads: “Receipts
        coming soon, no later than Valentine's day,” followed
        by a heart emoji
        <https://www.wired.com/story/heart-emoji-lost-all-meaning/>.

        A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar charts
        showing how many people work in each government agency,
        with the information coming from data gathered by the
        Office of Personnel Management in March 2024.

        A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This is
        DOGE's effort to create a comprehensive,
        government-wide org chart. This is an enormous effort,
        and there are likely some errors or omissions. We will
        continue to strive for maximum accuracy over time.”

        Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features what
        DOGE calls the “Unconstitutionality Index,” which it
        describes as “the number of agency rules created by
        unelected bureaucrats for each law passed by Congress
        in 2024.”

        The charts in this section are also based on data
        previously collected by US government agencies.
        Doge.gov also links to a Forbes article from last month
        that was written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a member of the
        Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank that
        pushed climate change disinformation
        
<https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/heartland-institute-leak-exposes-strategies-of-climate-attack-machine/>
 and
        questioned the links between tobacco and lung cancer
        <https://www.tobaccotactics.org/article/heartland-institute/>.
        It is also a major advocate for privatizing government
        departments
        
<https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/in-shift-key-climate-denialist-group-heartland-institute-pivots-to-policy/>.

        The site also features a “Join” page which allows
        prospective DOGE employees to apply for roles including
        “software engineers, InfoSec engineers, and other
        technology professionals.” As well as requesting a
        Github account and résumé, the form asks visitors to
        “provide 2-3 bullet points showcasing exceptional ability.”

        The website does not list a developer, but on
        Wednesday, web application security expert Sam Curry
        outlined in a thread on X
        <https://x.com/samwcyo/status/1889527715029557607> how
        he was able to identify the developer of the site as
        DOGE employee Kyle Shutt.

        Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare account
        ID found in the site’s source code to Shutt, who used
        the same account when developing Musk’s America PAC
        
<https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-election-denial-community-x/>
 website.

        On Thursday, Drop Site News
        
<https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/doge-fema-funding-access-social-security-numbers>
 reported,
        citing sources within FEMA, that Shutt had gained
        access to the agency’s proprietary software controlling
        payments. Earlier this week, Business Insider reported
        <https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-staff-list-white-house-2025-2> 
that
        Shutt, who recently worked at an AI interviewing
        software company, was listed as one of 30 people
        working for DOGE.

        Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded to
        requests for comment.

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