I would include the rainbow, MAGA, and KKK flags in that definition. Probably dozens of others.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2025 1:28 PM, Chuck wrote:
It is posting flags in school rooms.  Limited to nations, states and NA tribes.  Not at all unreasonable.  Images of other flags can be shown if they contribute to teaching a historical event.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:06 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:



If it's only posting colors/flags as part of a curriculum, I would support all flags, including KKK and MAGA. Rainbow flags are now part of the historical record, and I would put them in the same category.

I have a completely different view of what flags can be displayed publicly. I suppose it's a free speech issue, but I don't really look approvingly of people who might display KKK, Nazi, or Confederate flags.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/16/2025 7:04 AM, Chuck wrote:
Images shown as part of a history lesson is far different from posting colors.  They only allow colors from tribes, states and nations to be posted.  I support the proposed law.  Do you really want MAGA and KKK flags to be allowed?
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2025, at 7:11 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:




Just saw this.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/utah-law-allow-nazi-confederate-160556024.html

Scratch Utah from the places I want to visit.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/15/2025 4:55 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I guess you could call the executives that ran ENRON "turnaround artists" as well, I want that sort of behavior far away from my government though. I've heard the argument many times that our institutions will provide the guardrails to keep our democracy healthy. They can't do their job if they no longer exist or are gutted. Hopefully the judicial branch will provide some resistance to this nonsense, but we're going to be staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis if the current administration just ignores judgements they don't like.

I'm all for getting rid of bureaucratic bloat and waste, that's not what this is though.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 6:42 PM Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

    When large publically traded companies are on the rocks they
    bring in a new CEO to turn things around, sometimes parting it
    out.  Our nation is the largest publicly owned business on the
    planet.  It has some turn around artists at the helm. Sit back
    and watch the show.  Some good may come of all of this. 
    Highly entertaining at the least. The republic is very likely
    to survive and could actually benefit from a good house cleaning,
    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 15, 2025, at 6:17 PM, Jason McKemie
    <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

    
    This seems about par for the course with these guys.  Scary
    stuff.

    I love how this administration uses the term "maximally
    transparent", or some derivation thereof everywhere they
    can.  I guess if you say it enough, it must be true, right?

    On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 5:59 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com>
    wrote:

        https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/

        DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad

        *The source code for the new Department of Government
        Efficiency’s “official US government website” points to X
        as its primary source of authority, while sharing links
        to the site sends users to x.com <http://x.com>.*

        At a press conference in the Oval Office
        
<https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/tech/elon-musk-x-oval-office/index.html> 
this
        week, Elon Musk promised the actions of his so-called
        Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
        <https://www.wired.com/tag/doge/> project would be
        “maximally transparent,” thanks to information posted to
        its website.

        At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was empty
        <https://bsky.app/profile/joncooper-us.bsky.social/post/3lhwsmk4iac2u>.
        However, when the site finally came online Thursday
        morning, it turned out to be little more than a glorified
        feed of posts from the official DOGE account on Musk’s
        own X platform, raising new questions about Musk’s
        conflicts of interest in running DOGE
        <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293382/x-elon-musk-doge-cfpb>.

        DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the United
        States government,” but rather than giving detailed
        breakdowns of the cost savings and efficiencies Musk
        claims his project is making, the homepage of the site
        just replicated posts from the DOGE account on X.

        A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that the
        promotion of Musk’s own platform went deeper than
        replicating the posts on the homepage. The source code
        shows that the site’s canonical tags
        <https://moz.com/learn/seo/canonicalization> direct
        search engines to x.com <http://x.com> rather than DOGE.gov.

        A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells search
        engines what the authoritative version of a website is.
        It is typically used by sites with multiple pages as a
        search engine optimization tactic, to avoid their search
        ranking being diluted.

        In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing search
        engines that when people search for content found on
        DOGE.gov, they should not show those pages in search
        results, but should instead display the posts on X.

        “It is promoting the X account as the main source, with
        the website secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web developer
        <https://vale.rocks/>, tells WIRED. “This isn't usually
        how things are handled, and it indicates that the X
        account is taking priority over the actual website itself.”

        Advertisement

        All the other US government websites WIRED checked used
        their own homepage in their canonical tags, including the
        official White House website. Additionally, when sharing
        the DOGE website on mobile devices, the source code
        creates a link to the DOGE X account rather than the
        website itself.

        “It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and they
        are prodding people in the direction of the X account
        everywhere they can,” Chidlow adds.

        Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of
        Doge.gov labeled “Savings” now appears. So far the page
        is empty except for a single line that reads: “Receipts
        coming soon, no later than Valentine's day,” followed by
        a heart emoji
        <https://www.wired.com/story/heart-emoji-lost-all-meaning/>.

        A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar charts
        showing how many people work in each government agency,
        with the information coming from data gathered by the
        Office of Personnel Management in March 2024.

        A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This is
        DOGE's effort to create a comprehensive, government-wide
        org chart. This is an enormous effort, and there are
        likely some errors or omissions. We will continue to
        strive for maximum accuracy over time.”

        Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features what
        DOGE calls the “Unconstitutionality Index,” which it
        describes as “the number of agency rules created by
        unelected bureaucrats for each law passed by Congress in
        2024.”

        The charts in this section are also based on data
        previously collected by US government agencies. Doge.gov
        also links to a Forbes article from last month that was
        written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a member of the Heartland
        Institute, a conservative think tank that pushed climate
        change disinformation
        
<https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/heartland-institute-leak-exposes-strategies-of-climate-attack-machine/>
 and
        questioned the links between tobacco and lung cancer
        <https://www.tobaccotactics.org/article/heartland-institute/>.
        It is also a major advocate for privatizing government
        departments
        
<https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/in-shift-key-climate-denialist-group-heartland-institute-pivots-to-policy/>.

        The site also features a “Join” page which allows
        prospective DOGE employees to apply for roles including
        “software engineers, InfoSec engineers, and other
        technology professionals.” As well as requesting a Github
        account and résumé, the form asks visitors to “provide
        2-3 bullet points showcasing exceptional ability.”

        The website does not list a developer, but on Wednesday,
        web application security expert Sam Curry outlined in a
        thread on X
        <https://x.com/samwcyo/status/1889527715029557607> how he
        was able to identify the developer of the site as DOGE
        employee Kyle Shutt.

        Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare account ID
        found in the site’s source code to Shutt, who used the
        same account when developing Musk’s America PAC
        
<https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-election-denial-community-x/>
 website.

        On Thursday, Drop Site News
        
<https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/doge-fema-funding-access-social-security-numbers>
 reported,
        citing sources within FEMA, that Shutt had gained access
        to the agency’s proprietary software controlling
        payments. Earlier this week, Business Insider reported
        <https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-staff-list-white-house-2025-2> 
that
        Shutt, who recently worked at an AI interviewing software
        company, was listed as one of 30 people working for DOGE.

        Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded to
        requests for comment.

-- AF mailing list
        AF@af.afmug.com
        http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- AF mailing list
    AF@af.afmug.com
    http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- AF mailing list
    AF@af.afmug.com
    http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Reply via email to