But you said if work reimburses you for your personal phone. That’s different.
If I add $50 to your paycheck every month to defray the cost of using your personal cellphone at jobsites to make calls and take photos, that’s more like a per diem allowance for people traveling on business. Or WFH employees who maybe get a company laptop but also an allowance to cover some or all of the cost of home Internet. I do tell any remote workers with company issued laptops to assume there is “employee monitoring software” on it that can spy on them to whatever level of detail the company wants. As little as monitoring hours worked to as much as screenshots, video and audio, keystrokes, copying files, apps inventory, you name it. I’ve also noticed large uploads every few minutes which I assume is backups or a complete HDD image so they have all the data in case you take the laptop with you, or erase incriminating files before you return it. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 2:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones If work pays for it, can track you, can wipe it, has control over your apps, etc. It's a work phone. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 2:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Why do you say that? From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 2:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones If work reimburses you for your personal phone, then it's just a personal phone in name only. It might as well be a work phone. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 2:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones For sure, there are technical means, but often the challenges aren't technical. Say personally you love XYZ app. Work determines it to be a security risk and removes it. Who wins that fight? Say they have a personal Dropbox that automatically uploads work files to their space as opposed to (or in addition to) the work OneDrive or Google Drive? If work always wins those situations, then why even have a personal phone, you're just carrying around a work phone that you pay for. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 11:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones I'm not sure on the technical details, but A lady from church worked at a large healthcare company in accounting. She was allowed to have her work email on her personal phone, but she had to turn her PERSONAL phone (Iphone) into IT to get it setup. When she left that job, she was Required to turn her PERSONAL phone into IT to get it wiped. She was responsible for backing up all of her her photos, etc, before turning it in to be wiped, this was all spelled out and approved by her before she made the decision to get her email on her personal phone. So as long as it's spelled out to the employee, it sounds like there are options that are vetted to allow personal devices access to the corporate network. On 12/29/2024 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access the device (pin, fingerprint, etc.) Yon can require 2fa. Once the device is auth'ed the admin has control over the workspace account (in our case anything at imaginenetworksllc.com <http://imaginenetworksllc.com> ) https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en <https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a> &article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: Part of data security also is about device compliance. Is there a pin? Is it rooted? Are there vulnerable applications installed? etc. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> _____ <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Using Google stuff here, any of the "work profile" or "G Suite account" data gets wiped if it ever reaches connectivity. Doesn't prevent any local cache from getting read, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Not like a company provided phone would prevent theft. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> How do you handle data security with personal phones? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> _____ <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> My 2 Cents: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Don’t waste your time or money. The excuses still come. You have some who are all for it, others who will carry two phones, and even those who want no part of it and want ‘control’. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I stopped doing it a couple years ago. Saves the company a lot of money. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> www.surfici.net <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Active Member To The Following: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> WISPA <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> NBBC <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Confidentiality Notice: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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