if you don't need public ip they have $0/mo with like $2-10/gb ubb On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 2:45 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> $2/month holy shit > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:29 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > >> We use open gear im72xx and acm7xxx I get them new old stock or used on >> eBay for peanuts. Work fantastic, some even have a router and Ethernet >> switch build in for ipmi oob access. I use thingsmobile.com I think it's >> $2/mo for a sim with static ipv4 >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 2:16 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, initially I talked to Verizon about their router offerings because >>> they'll often throw one in for no additional cost. Problems with Verizon >>> cellular routers were >>> >>> - I don't have any reason to have faith in their reliability, and >>> nobody will be there to reboot it >>> - Feature sets were kind of a grab bag. My worry is maybe I get a >>> model that does some particular thing that I rely on, but later they >>> discontinue that model and I won't like their new options >>> - All of them were 12VDC with a wall wart. We have -48 plant, so >>> I'd be adding converters or inverters, and we're paying a low voltage >>> contractor for that stuff so it's not as cheap as it was when I was in >>> the >>> WISP world. >>> >>> Someone mentioned it, but most of the console servers are just a >>> computer running some flavor of Linux and then adding a cellular card. WTI >>> is no exception. To me that's actually a good thing. I can connect it >>> both to the console ports and via ethernet to our management VLAN. As long >>> as I can get into the CLI of the console server I should be able to use it >>> as a launchpad to ping, ssh, ftp, or whatever into the equipment, and >>> that's in addition to having console access. >>> >>> When I lived in "WISP World" this product wouldn't have made any sense. >>> When money costs more than time I would just take some kind of PC and slap >>> in a USB cellular card and a quad port PCI serial card or two. If I >>> couldn't get a -48V PC I'd just wire in an inverter or isolated converter. >>> However, where I'm at now I think my boss would be shocked if I spent labor >>> on hacking something together when there's a thing we could just buy and be >>> done with it. >>> >>> Oh and apparently since we already have a bunch of phones and tablets >>> with Verizon we can add devices like this to our account for $20/month on a >>> 2GB 4G plan (+$15 per additional GB), and adding the static IP was only >>> $4/month. That OpEx is peanuts next to everything else, and the data limit >>> doesn't matter because most of the time it'll sit there and do nothing. >>> That's affordable even in WISP World. We could have unlimited 5G for $40, >>> and the static would still be only $4 more, but obviously we just don't >>> need 5G for this. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 3:42 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < >>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry to hijack the thread. >>>> >>>> I've been considering developing a few different products to broaden my >>>> product line so it isn't so WISP focused. One of the things I've looked >>>> at is a terminal server device since the existing ones seem so rediculous >>>> for the price. >>>> >>>> BUT.. to meet the price target I'd want to hit, cellular connectivity >>>> would be out of the question, due to the excessive cost of the testing that >>>> the cellular networks require to permit connection to their network. This >>>> is probably why the existing products which have cellular connectivity cost >>>> so much. >>>> >>>> I was sort of under the impression that it was pretty typical for out >>>> of band cellular access to use one of the off the shelf wireless >>>> routers/hotspots to provide management-only ip connectivity. That way, >>>> you can connect to the management interface on every device. Is this >>>> not the case? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024, 6:55 AM dbernardi <dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not that device in particular but the number of locations and RS-232 >>>>> ports per device may drive you in a certain direction. >>>>> >>>>> I've been looking for a new solution as well. With 100's of locations >>>>> I >>>>> find you need some sort of dashboard to track and manage devices, >>>>> whether home-grown or from a provider. >>>>> >>>>> We originally used Opengear 3G console servers but had to replace them >>>>> as Verizon phased out 3G service so we put together our own RPi with a >>>>> Verizon 4G USB cellular modem and a Startech USB/RS-232 adapter with >>>>> appropriate number of ports. That <$200 solution worked pretty well >>>>> but >>>>> if you don't pay attention to tunnel management (make sure it switches >>>>> back to on-net link) it's easy to rack up a 5 figure Verizon bill even >>>>> with a M2M type service. >>>>> >>>>> So if you have a lot of devices to manage having visibility into them >>>>> and/or cellular is key. Tunnels become less important if you are >>>>> willing to pay for static IPv4 or stable IPv6 addresses from the >>>>> carrier >>>>> but you still have to monitor them. >>>>> >>>>> I looked at some ~$1500+ devices but at scale it becomes a pretty >>>>> significant capital project and I consider tunnel/cellular management >>>>> more important anyhow. >>>>> >>>>> I tested the Digi Connect IT-4 with Hologram and it worked well but >>>>> they >>>>> didn't have Verizon as a carrier at the time (they do now for >>>>> additional >>>>> fee). We provide cellular backhaul to many T-Mobile and AT&T sites so >>>>> in the event our PoP/cabinet becomes isolated the concern is that same >>>>> towers we provide backhaul to would be how we would gain out-of-band >>>>> access to our equipment said outage. Point being in our case having >>>>> primary access to Verizon is important. >>>>> >>>>> I'm currently looking to test Symetry (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T)+ >>>>> Peplink >>>>> router. Peplink has a what looks like a very nice tunnel service >>>>> dashboard (InTouch @ ~$40/year/device) but their hardware is lacking >>>>> console ports so you still need some type console/RS-232 server if you >>>>> need more than 1 port. I'm considering leaving the RPi and Startech >>>>> in >>>>> place as a terminal server (works well) but using the Peplink+Intouch >>>>> for cellular access/tunnel management (where we struggled). >>>>> >>>>> There's also consideration of what you are planning to do with RS-232 >>>>> access. Are you just doing occasional "show interface" commands when >>>>> you lose in-band access, uploading firmware/bootloaders, or collecting >>>>> telemetry. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, based on what I looked at so far, I think most of the >>>>> integrated >>>>> rack mount console servers are pretty similar in features, cost and >>>>> reliability but your cellular related requirements may matter (eSIM or >>>>> multiple carrier support for example). Some also seemed to differ in >>>>> tunnel options as well if that's a consideration. >>>>> >>>>> So if the cellular console server meets your needs and cost (scale) is >>>>> not as important, I think you'll find they all pretty much the same. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/1/2024 3:14 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Has anyone used this product? Does it suck? >>>>> > https://www.wti.com/products/dsm-8dcnm-e-gige-console-server-8-port- >>>>> > rj45-dual-ethernet <https://www.wti.com/products/dsm-8dcnm-e-gige- >>>>> > console-server-8-port-rj45-dual-ethernet> >>>>> > >>>>> > I got spam from this company recently, and purely by chance I was >>>>> > researching a cellular OOB management option so I got the manual and >>>>> dug >>>>> > into it a bit. It has exactly the features I'm looking for. I'm >>>>> > wondering if by chance anyone here has already bought from this >>>>> company >>>>> > and maybe you can save me the trouble of finding out the hard way >>>>> that >>>>> > they're terrible. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Thank you, TJ Trout Volt Broadband 209.480.3122 Cell
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