Having been involved in some of these grant programs I do have some misgivings. It's not about waste or corruption, I think they actually have good safety measures in place to prevent that stuff, but the business case. With wireless you're always fighting congestion. Often can't increase bandwidth (hz) because there isn't any additional bandwidth to use. To increase capacity (bps) you end up needing to build a new network with newer, better equipment. And IMO you'll be looking for that upgrade in 5 years or so. So if you needed a grant to afford the capital cost of a network, then how are you going to afford the upgrade when you need to rebuild it in 5-10 years? Another grant? If you could have afforded it based on the revenue then you could have gotten the money from a bank.
So IMO, if you're getting a grant, build fiber. You build the infrastructure once, and 2.5Gbps GPON ONT from 10 years ago is still useful today even if it's not as impressive as the 25Gbps stuff we're starting to see on the market. On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 3:27 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: > I grow weary of the “find a bigger idiot to sell it to” straw argument; > what if we run out of idiots with no brains but piles of money, a naturally > occurring phenomem it turns out, especially over time. The cool kids call > that a “bubble”, which tend to contain very little in the end except > moderatly hot air and a few people who get poor trying to cash in their > “shares of air”. > > But they’ve have great Internet you could argue! > > On Oct 4, 2024, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > I looked at some CAF grants and made some reasonable assumptions to > calculate $ per tower. Big number. It wasn't clear that actual customer > revenue was necessary. > > Get grant. Equip towers. Cash out to private equity. > > Yes, eventually you'd need revenue, but down the road enough it would be > someone else's problem. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" > Sent: 10/4/2024 2:02:15 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2 > > Varies by customer and their situation. If you can get $100/month and an > install fee it’s pretty short. Less than that it ales a lot longer. > Grants certainly make it easier. > > Regards, > > Jeff > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Oct 4, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: > > ?What is the average time before operators make a profit on a sub? I know, > variables, but mainly, before or after I die of old age or run fiber? > > On Oct 4, 2024, at 5:40?AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> > wrote: > > I can get you any pricing you need. > > My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz. It will be > able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference > mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels. > > I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now. > > Regards, > > Jeff > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43?PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: > > ?I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, > sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate > how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable > (outside of subsidized builds). > > On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04?PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large > scale? The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those > subscriber units though... > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > >> Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all >> time. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect >> >> >> >> Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is >> the G1? >> >> >> >> Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping >> anyway? I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may >> be out the window. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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