For the first 12 years of my working experience I found that if I worked some place for more than 2 years I was being underpaid. If I stayed at the role I would be 1-3% pay raise, if I changed jobs I would get 20-50%. That has slowed down some as I have moved up the pay scale.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > We've had a bunch of that too. For some reason, a lot of people in teach > think that you're doing it wrong if you don't hop every 2 - 3 years. > Silicon Valley kind of sets some of this with their stock vetting and lack > of meaningful raises later. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Monday, September 16, 2024 11:34:06 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Problem employees > > Ken, we have an open position currently and I'd say 90% of the resumes > that come thru have what I would consider a garbage work history. Random > assortment of unrelated job roles, most for less than a year. Clearly no > attempt or success at anything resembling a "career". I guess this is just > normal now? > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 11:57 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > >> Based on Internet posts, one thing Gen XYZ seems to understand is that a >> PIP (performance improvement plan) or CAP (corrective action plan) >> basically means you’re getting fired and should start your job search now. >> They don’t take it as a wake up call to improve. >> >> >> >> Over the past decade or two, loyalty and trust between employers and >> employees seems to have mutually gone to zero. The idea of a “career” or >> working at the same place for years is gone, and both sides blame the >> other. Big corporations that regularly overhire and then lay off to >> appease shareholders don’t help. Yet billionaire owners like Musk expect >> “extreme hardcore” effort from employees who sleep on the floor. Seems >> like local small businesses and family owned businesses are collateral >> damage in all this. Younger workers learn from their reddits and tiktoks >> that they are expendable and so they owe no loyalty or hard work to their >> job. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com >> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 10:29 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Problem employees >> >> >> >> We do write them up. But a bit of a harsh ass chewing seems to yield >> much better results much quicker than gentle feed back, mentoring, multiple >> reviews etc. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Chuck McCown >> >> McCown Technology Corporation >> 8401 N Commerce Dr >> Lake Point, Utah 84074 >> 801-250-9503 Office >> 435-830-4306 Cell >> www.mccowntech.com >> www.microtrench.pro >> www.terabitnetworks.com >> >> >> >> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 9:04 AM >> >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Problem employees >> >> >> >> I read a book that was about cultivating a high performance team. Bottom >> line was similar to the seminar you mention, but slightly different. >> >> >> >> The short version is set expectations clearly, have regular reviews, and >> make it clear when expectations are not being met. After a few bad reviews >> the most likely outcomes are that they improve or they find another job and >> go away on their own. If they don’t do either one then you have >> documentation of these reviews and you can drop them without fear of any >> unfounded accusations. >> >> >> >> -Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 14, 2024 4:22 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Problem employees >> >> >> >> I many years ago I went to a skilpath seminar on what to do with problem >> employees. After two days the bottom line was that you probably will not >> change them, learn to live with them or fire them. >> >> >> >> So for a number of years I gave them gentle performance reviews, some >> respectful feedback and then fired the ones the did not perform. There was >> some positive outcomes. We frequently could find someone better for the >> position. I used to say that I have never regretted firing anyone and >> almost always realized that I should have done it long ago. And I have >> remarked that part of our success is that we did fire people. I still >> believe that is true and is good advice. >> >> >> >> But in the past few years I have changed my view and tactic a little >> bit. I got tired of performance reviews, coaching, coddling, firing etc. >> I just started chewing ass. Not to the point that I created permanent >> psychic damage, but certainly some temporary psychic damage. One gen Z kid >> told me the next day that he was OK, had a cry in his car but he is now >> OK. And he is now OK, good performer. >> >> >> >> I decided I did not want to waste the training I invested. And that if >> they could survive the ass chewing and learn from it, I ended up overall in >> a better situation and they did too. So far I haven’t fired anyone since >> starting this I don’t think. One guy is on thin ice but he only got his >> ass chewing on Thursday. We will see if can pull it out. >> >> >> >> Sick of coddling Gen Z. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) My website <http://zachunderwood.me> advance-networking.com
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