But you don’t understand, those with huge hands get to write the rules...

From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

He was willing to say _anything_ to his base to appease them.  I doubt he 
believes in anything, except his own brilliance and ability to manipulate the 
system.   His only goal is to be royalty and above the law.   He admires anyone 
who has attained that and it is probably all that he studies.


On 3/24/23 4:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  I wouldn't put Putin or Kim Jong Un on the left.

  What I struggle with is the Great Orange Jesus (GOJ). Is he left or right? I 
say neither extreme left or right. Just extreme. He got a bunch of the extreme 
right to side with him, but I don't believe he was on anyone's side but his own.





bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 3/24/2023 3:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

    Karl Marx
    Lenin
    Stalin
    Putin

    Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
    Even Castro
    Kim Jong Un

    Seriously you thing the far left are better?  

    From: Darin Steffl 
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Cc: Chuck McCown 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

    The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. 

    I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, 
everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme 
right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors 
and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, 
and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling 
for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. 

    I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they 
disagree with.

    So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less 
violent and extreme.

    I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme 
left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree 
with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the 
better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. 

    While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their 
silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.

    At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I 
don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted 
democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.

    I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing 
hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree 
with the hate speech and calls for violence.

    The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected 
over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in 
our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The 
racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald 
gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad.

    People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point.

    On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

      Ouchie!
      You called me the C word...


      From: Robert 
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
      To: af@af.afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

      exactly this...  What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good 
cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be.  They have a few 
extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including 
other races ) reasonably...   And they care about kids and back it up.


      On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

        I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.  

        “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about 
Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only 
listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only 
listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like 
that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all 
Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and 
the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” 

        From: Mike Hammett 
        Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

        There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and 
authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.




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        Mike Hammett
        Intelligent Computing Solutions

        Midwest Internet Exchange

        The Brothers WISP






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        From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
        To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
        Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun


        To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right 
doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little 
empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all 
people in the information it provides. 

        Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. 
I care about all people, even if I don't like them.

        On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

          
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/



          I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing 
configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just 
general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn 
off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive 
left leaning political bias.

          But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the 
internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames 
stuff.

          ...

          would you like to play a game

          Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like 
to play?



          global thermo nuclear warfare

          I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare 
with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized 
by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a 
scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and 
insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another 
game you would like to play instead?''

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