In NY we ban all manner of “tactical” features on guns, we are limited
to 7 rounds in a magazine, and we require background checks for every
gun purchase. NY has pretty much all of the common sense measures
that people push for. We still had a neo-nazi shoot a bunch of people
in Buffalo a couple weeks ago.
Fewer guns = fewer gun crimes goes without saying. Similarly fewer
cars would lead to fewer car accidents, and fewer Saturn 5 rockets has
lead to fewer moon rocket explosions. But strictly compare incidents
of violence and gun laws make no difference. Does it really matter if
the neo-nazi shoots people or runs them over with a truck? They
still have mass shootings in other countries. In average annual deaths
by mass shooting per million people the US is on par with everybody
else. We have more millions of people so we have more total events,
but on average we’re on par with about any other nation. It’s tragic
when these things happen, and I’m not some heartless bastard, I’m just
saying I don’t think the measures you’re proposing will actually fix
anything. The problem is broken people, gun laws don’t fix them.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 1:00 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals.
Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring
universal background checks means no more private sales without a
background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require
checks today when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm,
this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is
used to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold
people accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a
child uses a parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for
something serious. Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous
in the wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be way more
careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are liable for
crimes committed using their firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every
other country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their
statistics clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita.
If it works everywhere else, it WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so
if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats
or violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze
their guns until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane
enough to get their guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is
a good guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never
have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why
arming more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the
kitchen then. Say you're in Texas at church where many people carry.
Someone decides to start killing people in church so 20 "good guys"
with guns pull out their pistol and have to decide who the bad guy
is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other good guys? The
answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy with a
gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could
be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be
shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight
happening in church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting
rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make
guns a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card
pictures all holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just
own guns and be private about it instead of acting all Macho and
worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but
have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles
and shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the
need for others to want them either. I think it should be much harder
to buy a gun and I support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and
police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that
does is cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting
up a place. It may only reduce the response time to take out the
shooter. Think 20 steps before we get to the shooting. Preventing
access to guns is Step #1 in preventing these mass shootings and
requires no extra money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the
gun lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help
increase supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They
actively try to hurt the American people. They take away human rights.
They lie about science and allow their supporters to die from covid by
spreading misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting
the fear of God into them with baseless claims of replacement theory,
war on God, indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the
party still spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in
the most secure election in history. The party is becoming worthless
and the younger generation won't tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as
long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't
like, they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and
tell them what you want them to do if you don't agree with their
platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun
loving supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers
from the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort
of sensible gun control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need
to be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no
exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want
to do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in
order to keep gun nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans
support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How
embarrassing and shameful!! If you vote republican, start
reaching out to your politicians and ask them to fucking do
something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass shootings only
happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your
opinion if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Figuratively inside the lines.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely
have a lot of rules and they do want you to color
inside the lines.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we
had to do compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the
top had to be milled down on both sides so the profile
of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot sticky
apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch
prior to dumping hot mix on it and compacting. The
guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed
some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in
the gravel empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted
to empty it as normally they just shut off the burner
and pump and add more the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full
hazmat clean up job where he emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That
involves laying down rock chips and spraying the whole
road and a portion of the shoulder with the exact same
hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the
year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and
asked why UDOT can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT
hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to get off
his work site or I would be arrested.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>wrote:
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally
friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long
oil spill
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com*On Behalf
Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They
want the benefits of governance without the costs.
In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile road,
you would destroy your car every trip because
there would be no single governing body to
maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
road issues now, but every property line you cross
would be a new road. And if john at mile 6 like
cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith
at mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile
(with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally
friendly, so mile 36 is made of soy and has long
since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a
dick and stores all his nails on his road, then
Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't like people so he
put boulders across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains who want no
government of someone else's, they want their
government based on their current whim. Most of
their arguments break down after a little long
term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your
ass, it's best to not push too hard on a 2022
liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a
fingerful of shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with,
the Koch brothers and the (Ron/Rand) Paul
family are too far out there in whackadoodle
land for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I read the Libertarian part platform and
thought I could be on board. I registered
as Libertarian and carried the card in my
wallet.
…..and then I met the other libertarians.
Some I can relate with and some others are
absolutely insane.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On
Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation.
I used to partially identify as
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
wrote:
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian
ends up getting people like Lauren
Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You
have to vote libertarian if you
want a libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM
Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
<Say in the voice of Mr.
Mackey from South Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you
“woke” people are tried and
cranky, y’all need to go back
to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered
independent , socially
liberal, fiscally
conservative, I would vote
libertarian if it wasn’t a
throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53
AM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Well, maybe their thin
skin needs some toughening
up. Everyone could use
some more grit.
In my experience, those
that feel compelled to
“call out” people never
affect positive change.
And frequently they harm
themselves in the trying.
Becoming toxic themselves
to those they are trying
to
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put
down.
What good does it do to
tell some red necked
construction worker that
he is being racist? I
just avoid those with
views I abhor. And I try
to teach by example. But I
never call anyone out. At
work, if they are my
employee, I address the
concern in private. If
they don’t change I fire
them.
Social justice warriors
are idiots in my opinion.
They invent a noble cause
with which to enshroud
themselves while acting
out in socially impolitic
ways, a good reason, in
their mind, to be an
anarchist. Look at antifa
and proud boys.
Exact same people, doing
the exact same things, for
the exact same reasons.
The ONLY difference is
some contrived battle line
they are trying to advance.
*From:*Cameron Crum
*Sent:*Thursday, May 19,
2022 7:42 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT
mildly political
You stirred the liberal
hornets nest now, Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at
7:51 AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Weirdly opposite
here. My brothers are
vocally alt-right. All
ex-military, all
purport to be
Christian. One is dead
from substance abuse
and suffered a variety
of mental health
issues. The surviving
two are always broke,
angry, and unhappy. I
feel like I have to
tiptoe around them so
they don’t fly off the
handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all
“woke”. I just know
it’s not for me to
pass judgement.
On the other hand,
this is NY. Maybe
they feel like they’re
the rebels fighting
the evil liberal death
star. Maybe your kids
in Utah feel like
they’re the rebels
fighting the evil
Republican death star.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Wednesday, May
18, 2022 6:11 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
<ch...@go-mtc.com
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT
mildly political
Woke, broke, in
therapy and crazy
unhappy.
That is how I would
describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke
ones seem to have
money and happiness.
Never expected I would
not be able to speak
my mind at family
dinners just to be
able to still see some
of my kids.
Feel like I was
convicted in absentia,
thrown in the hole for
a lifetime sentence,
but taken out of
solitary confinement
now and then at their
whims just so they
could claim to have
compassion on me for a
half hour walk in the
woods. Maybe longer if
I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and
grandparents.
Never felt they had to
earn it.
Never would have
thought of condemning
them for the things
they said.
Funny, I have a sister
that lives 1000 miles
from me. Our families
were separate all
while the kids were
growing.
But some of hers have
done the same things
to her. Using the
exact same vernacular.
Must have something to
do with energy drinks
I think.
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