In NY we ban all manner of “tactical” features on guns, we are limited to 7 
rounds in a magazine, and we require background checks for every gun purchase.  
NY has pretty much all of the common sense measures that people push for.  We 
still had a neo-nazi shoot a bunch of people in Buffalo a couple weeks ago.

 

Fewer guns = fewer gun crimes goes without saying.  Similarly fewer cars would 
lead to fewer car accidents, and fewer Saturn 5 rockets has lead to fewer moon 
rocket explosions.   But strictly compare incidents of violence and gun laws 
make no difference.  Does it really matter if the neo-nazi shoots people or 
runs them over with a truck?   They still have mass shootings in other 
countries.  In average annual deaths by mass shooting per million people the US 
is on par with everybody else.  We have more millions of people so we have more 
total events, but on average we’re on par with about any other nation.  It’s 
tragic when these things happen, and I’m not some heartless bastard, I’m just 
saying I don’t think the measures you’re proposing will actually fix anything.  
The problem is broken people, gun laws don’t fix them.

 

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 1:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other country 
in the world and how much less gun violence they have.

 

Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every gun 
a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal 
background checks means no more private sales without a background check. Gun 
shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they should. 

 

If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this means 
sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a 
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people accountable who put 
guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a 
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a message that guns are 
serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be 
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are liable for 
crimes committed using their firearm. 

 

Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns going to 
criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other country that 
has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics clearly show 
that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it 
WILL work here. 

 

Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if 
someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or violence 
they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns until they 
have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their guns back.

 

This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good 
guy with a gun.

 

The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have 
access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more people 
is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say you're in Texas 
at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start killing people in 
church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and have to decide who 
the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other good guys? 
The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy with a gun is 
if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could be shot by 
other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be shooting innocent 
bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in church. 

 

The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid of 
their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a 
personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all 
holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be 
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!

 

FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have the 
ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and shotguns. I have 
no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for others to want them 
either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I support that.

 

The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police 
officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost tons 
of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It may only 
reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps before we get 
to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in preventing these mass 
shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.

 

Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, thoughts 
and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby does not 
help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control legislation does not help. 
Over 90% of Americans support universal background checks yet the Republicans 
won't do a damn thing to pass it. 

 

I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the obstructionist, 
pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats. They blocked 
bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby formula, help 
reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American people. They 
take away human rights. They lie about science and allow their supporters to 
die from covid by spreading misinformation. They try to scare their supports by 
putting the fear of God into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, 
war on God, indoctrination...

 

The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand up to 
hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still spreads the 
big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure election in 
history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger generation won't 
tolerate all the BS.

 

Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long as we 
keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they are 
likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you want 
them to do if you don't agree with their platform. 

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Fuck our piece of shit governor,  Trumpabbott and all his gun loving 
supporters...

Fuck his press release...

These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week

Trumputinsky,  Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right. 
These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.

 

Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed. 
Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.

 

Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing. 
They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy. 
Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.

 

Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and shameful!! 
If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians and ask them to 
fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass shootings only happen 
in America.

 

I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your party 
keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! 

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Figuratively inside the lines.  

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

...you mean outside the lines?

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules and 
they do want you to color inside the lines.

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted fill 
in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides so the 
profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky apshalt oil in a 
sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix on it and 
compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed some of 
the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his machine.  
Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off the burner 
and pump and add more the next day.

 

An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job where he 
emptied his sprayer.  

 

Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down rock 
chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with the exact 
same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year before.  Same 
inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it and we cannot, is 
the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to get off his work site 
or I would be arrested.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM

To:  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

but it's organic.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM,  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete 
are environmentally friendly”

 

Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of 
governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile road, 
you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no single 
governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have road issues 
now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if john at mile 
6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 23 is gonna 
charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't 
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, so mile 36 is made 
of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a dick and 
stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't like 
people so he put boulders across his mile.

These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's, they 
want their government based on their current whim. Most of their arguments 
break down after a little long term logic.

 

I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not push too 
hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a fingerful of 
shit.

 

On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the 
(Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board.  I 
registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.  

…..and then I met the other libertarians.  Some I can relate with and some 
others are absolutely insane.  

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as 
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.

On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren Bobert 
elected lol :-/

 

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

It's not a throwaway vote!!!!  You have to vote libertarian if you want a 
libertarian!

 

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park> 

 

Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to go 
back to bed and get some rest.

 

-Sean

 

(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally 
conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)

 

 

 

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use some 
more grit.

 

In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never affect 
positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the trying.  Becoming 
toxic themselves to those they are trying to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put 
down.  

 

What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he is 
being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to teach by 
example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my employee, I 
address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire them.  

 

Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble cause 
with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially impolitic ways, 
a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at antifa and proud 
boys.  

 

Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same reasons.  
The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying to advance.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. 

 

 

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM < <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All ex-military, 
all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse and suffered a 
variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are always broke, angry, 
and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off 
the handle about anything.

 

…..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass judgement.

 

On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels 
fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.

 

 

 

From: AF < <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To:  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown < <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  

 

That is how I would describe some of my kids.

 

The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  

 

Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to 
be able to still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime 
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims 
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the 
woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  

 

Odd times....

I loved my parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they had to earn it.  

Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  

 

Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were 
separate all while the kids were growing.

But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same 
vernacular. 

 

Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. 

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