this is why i wish they would go to recovery awards. you get your money
AFTER you serve the area and verify. A whole lot less grift when playing
with your own money. Ill get shot here, but I think no funding for anything
other than a hardline solution like fiber should be available anywhere
within X miles of any town of population.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 10:39 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:

> There's too much emphasis on Mbps, but my guess is the political decision
> makers observe that cable and fiber companies selling 100M+ generate fewer
> complaints from constituents than wireless operators offering 25Mbps.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> I'm not going to name any names, but I've seen a few grant funded wireless
> networks who qualified for funding by "offering" 25mbps that they couldn't
> actually deliver consistently.  You can do 25Mbps if load isn't too high,
> SNR is good enough, not too many inefficient low mod stations, etc.  If the
> design is built with maximal capacity in mind, then you can do 25Mbps for
> sure, but to qualify for funding they typically have to hit every household
> in a geographic area so they focus too heavily on coverage rather than
> capacity.  They'll get projections showing coverage down to a -80 RSSI when
> really they couldn't deliver that 25Mbps consistently unless everybody was
> getting -65 or better.  (I saw one using -90 for projecting coverage in a
> grant application, and ALSO using excessively generous system gains in
> their link budget based on recommendations from some fool doing tech
> support at the VAR.)
>
> There's reasoning motivated by the requirements of the funding.  They're
> told they HAVE to offer 25mbps AND they HAVE to cover 100% of the people in
> a given area, and they end up stretching to try to make both things true
> when they really can't ever both be true at the same time.  They'll never
> admit it. They've made it true in their own minds so they can talk to the
> regulators about it and feel that they aren't lying.  End result is a
> funded network with poor performance and constituents bitching at somebody
> about it.  The politician getting bitched at doesn't understand the root
> cause and couldn't prequalify applicants on any other criteria so they just
> increase the required Mbps.
>
> I think usually these guys aren't really liars, they're just ignorant.
> They listen to a vendor telling them a product can deliver eleventy
> thousand Mbps without understanding the qualifying conditions.  They'll
> test with one or two CPE with perfect signal to "prove" that it's true.  I
> think they're honestly surprised when they call me in to troubleshoot and I
> have to tell them that there's not much wrong with their network and it
> just can't do what they're trying to do.  There's really nothing to fix
> except go to each CPE location and try to make them all 30 SNR.
>
> If you have to qualify for a grant by offering 100Mbps to EVERY household
> in EVERY eligible census block in an entire town, then you are going to
> have to do it with fiber or coax.  There will still be people trying it
> with wireless, but they'll only be the most egregious liars and fools.
> Eventually the government agencies will stop being technology agnostic and
> just say "no fixed wireless".
>
> <disclaimer>I do know some things, but I don't actually know what
> motivates this specific decisions.  That part is conjecture.</disclaimer>
> </rant mode>
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2021 10:20 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> You would think that since they bothered coming up with excuses why the
> current standard isn't good enough, they could at least come up with a
> number based on their imagined need, instead of just coming up with a
> random number with no basis in anything other than "100/100 sounds good".
>
> It's not that hard... according to them, Zoom needs 3.8mbps upload per
> 1080p stream (and obviously everybody in the house absolutely needs to be
> using 1080p), so lets say a lot of households are running 5 simultaneous
> Zoom sessions (which I'm guessing is actually fairly rare)... that's
> 19Mbps, so throw in some overhead and make it, say 25Mbps. That's
> realistically going to be way more upload bandwidth than the vast majority
> of people ever need, so why exactly do we need to make the standard four
> times that?
>
> I guess it's one way to only fund fiber, which probably isn't a terrible
> idea if we're going to insist on throwing tax payer money away on such
> projects.
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:21 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> As long as they're tossing arbitrary numbers for need out there without
>> any fact based justification I think we should get carte blanche to do as
>> we please to make it happen. No need for ROW, we will take the O out of
>> OTARD and give it  a big fat REeeee. Dont want us running cable through
>> your living room to your neighbors house? Move. That 300 year old oak is in
>> the way? Federal money for husqvarna solutions. 1 watt per mhz? F that,
>> 1.12 gigawatt at the cpe. We will burn those obstructions out of the way,
>> make it disappear like micheal j fox in a Polaroid.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021, 9:29 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just create another CBRS database and let's get a huge swath of spectrum
>>> dedicated to PTMP without huge fees for rural areas. Lots of places where
>>> we could service 700-800 people if only more spectrum was available and it
>>> wouldn't impact anyone else in that band. If it does? Shut it off. Spectrum
>>> feels like such a wasted resource. We could be doing so much more with it,
>>> we understand how it propagates and software can now handle that on the fly
>>> in order to allocate to as many people as possible. I honestly think a
>>> fluid and dynamic database like this is the future of wireless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 5:45 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/4/22312065/fcc-highspeed-broadband-service-ajit-pai-bennet-angus-king-rob-portman
>>>> Meth and kickbacks. They need to just free up 500mhz-120ghz for just
>>>> WISP use. Then each wisp can have a ton of spectrum to get that porn to
>>>> every device
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