Sure glad Al invented the internet. That was a good move ... Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 22, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > This article is kind of long but covers a lot of the factors that will figure > in the choice. > https://www.vox.com/recode/21557495/biden-fcc-digital-divide-net-neutrality-section-230 > > I didn’t know that Reed Hundt was Al Gore’s college roommate. See, it’s now > what you know, it’s who you know. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:22 AM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > What has surprised me is the mantra has changed from “fiber is the future” to > “5G is the future”. > > Also Washington seems less ideological and more transactional than I thought. > One thing about spectrum, it can be auctioned for big bucks. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 9:41 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > We have gotten alot of spectrum of late. Being the bastard children of > connectivity I dont think we can complain about what we have gotten. If the > well dried up, we are still better off than we were. I just hope whatever > corporate shills they put in understand the value of SAS for future > allocation. They love regulations and having their names on regulations so it > may be better in the long run for us anyway. > Maybe we will luck out too and theyll put some of the people, big and small > who abused the stimulus money in prison. > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 9:18 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Mignon Clyburn is Jim Clyburn’s daughter, and a former FCC Commissioner, for > what those are worth. I don’t remember what if anything she did when she was > on the FCC. At least I don’t think she was famous for having a ginormous > coffee mug. Wikipedia details some of her positions, sounds like an anti-Pai. > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:57 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > Biden will put in a Nokia exec or some other owned body. Really wouldnt be > surprised to see a baicells exec, who isnt rick or the pedophile, of course, > in the spot, since that's effectively giving Huawei keys to the castle. > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 11:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > What was the deal with O’Rielly not getting a second term? Apparently he > pissed somebody off? > > He and Pai both spoke at WISPA events and we thought they were our friends, > our nerdy friends. Turns out we have no friends, and I think Pai turned out > to be more political then nerdy. O’Rielly might still be a nerd, maybe > that’s the answer, if he was better at politics he would have been > re-nominated? > > So who would Biden choose? My impression is Rosenworcel has been about as > useful as a potted plant, but maybe I’m being unfair, the minority > commissioners have no power, and starting with Wheeler only the chairman has > seemed to count. I hope he doesn’t bring in Gigi Sohn, she strikes me as a > raving ideologue, all the telcos and ISPs are evil, must regulate, too much > time in a think tank rather than actually doing things. > > As much as many would like to paint Biden as a wild eyed communist, the > reality is the most valid criticism of him is probably Trump’s “Sleepy Joe” > nickname, he’s probably pretty dull and boring and not very extreme. I’m > reminded of Gerald Ford’s administration. I actually liked Ford. He screwed > his chances though by pre-emptively pardoning Nixon. Not that he should have > prosecuted him either, he should have just moved on. But the pardon hurt him > with the public. > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:36 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > We are fucked in the new fcc. No more spectrum for us, it will all be sold > for new projects and we will get utility regulated. We had a really good 4 > years though > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:37 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > I don’t know if we’re watching a re-enactment of the Black Knight from Monty > Python and the Holy Grail (“tis but a scratch”), or Mike the Headless Chicken > https://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/mike/page/history > > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how the > next administration could affect WISPs. Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a new > Chairman (woman?). Will Net Neutrality and Title II return? Does it matter? > > I’d be interested in Chuck’s opinion on rumors that Deb Haaland is being > considered for Interior Secretary. BLM is part of Interior, right? > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:11 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-officials-trump-observers-obstructing-recount > > More news of trumpers behaving poorly and trying to influence the election. > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:41 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's how you work your way up, but seems theyve moved on to the state > legislatures like dirty leftists > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit. > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all parties > cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as designed, keeps > the field level. > > It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do with > the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right itself > eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to equilibrium. > Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda so they dont > appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push their party > into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party loses so the next > party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat the other way. The > next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant get a majority, so the > minority has the courts to overturn that extreme agenda. So on and so forth. > Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to different > flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy. > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the > natural state of the US government. The president can veto the legislature, > the senate can override the president. The president can issue orders to > executive branch agencies, but only within the framework created by the > legislature. The court can override everybody, but the court is appointed by > the president, but only if the senate lets him. That's without getting into > procedural crap like the filibuster. > > You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have broad > consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of compromises > originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding states and > non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any big permanent > wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to also not > accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe on specific > issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or is it a useful > feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on this. > > > > On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a huge > number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends to work. > When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's not > explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not > normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow > think it's going to make things worse? > > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in a > system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no > impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one of > the factors that has led us here. > > That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are driven by > the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and many (most?) > voters are driven by emotion. > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: > Darin, > > And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in > Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying > money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the back > and not really doing anything productive. > > We are at the point where people from either side are willing to destroy > their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any of them up > there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. Because if they > fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep. > > > This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for "his" > team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it". "WE", > unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th chicken wing had > a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it. > > These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the people. As > long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we won't notice them > accomplishing nothing. > > Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people and > OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years. > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote: > > Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a different way > about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for everything. > > Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is. > > I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a Democrat. > > Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other than > white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans, different > people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to bring > religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of church and > state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue. > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he feels > strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it means he > has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm trying to think > of a Democratic legislator who would break with party lines to agree with a > Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is Romney a Unicorn in > that respect? > > On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote: > It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for me. > Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a democrat > but I really don't like what the republican congress has become besides Mitt. > > On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's part > of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it. > He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About a > million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams they > set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply something > like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's pretty modest. > Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to $7billion, and even > he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's somewhere from terrible, > to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill in the blanks with their own > version. > I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him speak, > something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during his > presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to be about > symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka bullshitting). > I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it was Hillary > Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's give this > outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear that he > doesn't know what to do with his office. > I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes to the > lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser. > -Adam > > > On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Robert, > > You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business world. Just > fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one has caught on to > his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to get bigger idiots to > back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and years. Luckily for the > IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the armchair accounts will be > able to help the IRS do a proper audit. > > I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable person. > But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books look like > or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments and deals > over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess successful > is a relative term. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote: > > Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped him up > for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to roost. He > has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why he wants to be > in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the IRS to > convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to go under > public review.. Could be interesting... > > On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes, Donald > no. > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > Darin, > > Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a businessman not > a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He was going in to > the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed the Washington > wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and family. The man > didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for impeachment before he > was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big stink that they weren't > even going to show for his inauguration being he was illegitimate. > > Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't support > him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't know the > unwritten rules of Washington. > > The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for months > Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and Trump hates > them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it was just a big > game for them. > > He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was against > him, except for the people that voted for him. > > Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being the > devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to keep him > in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated rednecks, > but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did do some good > things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new wars. > > I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was talking > about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He made a very > interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know him. If they only > listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of him. The exact same > thing can be said about Trump. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote: > The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace to the > high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied, tweeted, > and lied for his entire term. > > If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all news to > rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our allies, and > shared hateful conspiracy theories. > > He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do something > good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than any other > president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges. > > He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't show > love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead. > > He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to bend > the knee. > > I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We > needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not in > a good way. > > Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about every > American, not just their base. > > Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt that > said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS > > Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local Hyvee > with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok to wear > things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still disrespectful. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should have > been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have ended > well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not saying Biden > is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may have had not to > deal with this bullshit. > > If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with the > non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared an > illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time "look > at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would be > watching cities burn right now. > > If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would be > doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really think Biden > would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media would have > been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump. They would > be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true and not debated. No > winner would be declared yet. > > When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. That is > more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people voted for > Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this time around. > > Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome? Did > you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome? On the > plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing the > riots. > > This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the last > election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is at least > on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing day in and > day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting depressing. Everything > was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for cancer, it would have been > spun as bad news. > > Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. Life in > the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will move > right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was on > Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they will > be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe. > > The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into our > heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 years to > convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate majorities > are so thin, either one can flip in two years. > > Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change that > much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. Maybe > some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. Maybe > another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed legislation > on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent was set in the > last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court. > > But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do. > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote: > Steve, > > https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud > > > Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you claim is > fraud. You and trump have been shot down again. > > Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting quite > heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting their > breath on these baseless claims. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and > stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the judges > order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts. > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html > except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well > https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ > your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges ruled on > something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied? > > just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something "debunked". > Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent pushing a > russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered without > evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run with said > narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of putting rudy and > joe in the spotlight > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > Steve, > > Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You won't be > able to because in every case so far, there have been poll watchers inside > watching the count in every precinct. > > You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit trying > to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers already inside. > They put up cardboard because the people outside were being distracting. > > Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll watchers > were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked because you > don't need any more inside a building than already existed. > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"? > > Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay more > attention to clowns than they deserve. > > -- > bp > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE > > It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from over. > -- > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats not > really much of a thing anymore > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when clearly he’s > not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, but he needs to > be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not making a fool of > himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always been a little off, look > at his marriage history. I assume since he was a lawyer and mayor he wasn’t > always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the marriage history. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and done > we go the way of canada on electronic voting. then we put cameras > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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