I figure that's the real reason for the gimps with the cardboard, but until they say so, fuckem
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:11 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-officials-trump-observers-obstructing-recount > > More news of trumpers behaving poorly and trying to influence the > election. > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:41 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> That's how you work your way up, but seems theyve moved on to the state >> legislatures like dirty leftists >> >> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit. >>> >>> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all >>>> parties cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as >>>> designed, keeps the field level. >>>> >>>> It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do >>>> with the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right >>>> itself eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to >>>> equilibrium. Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda >>>> so they dont appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push >>>> their party into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party >>>> loses so the next party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat >>>> the other way. The next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant >>>> get a majority, so the minority has the courts to overturn that extreme >>>> agenda. So on and so forth. >>>> Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to >>>> different flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the >>>>> natural state of the US government. The president can veto the >>>>> legislature, the senate can override the president. The president can >>>>> issue orders to executive branch agencies, but only within the framework >>>>> created by the legislature. The court can override everybody, but the >>>>> court is appointed by the president, but only if the senate lets him. >>>>> That's without getting into procedural crap like the filibuster. >>>>> >>>>> You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have >>>>> broad consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of >>>>> compromises originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding >>>>> states and non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any >>>>> big permanent wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to >>>>> also not accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe >>>>> on specific issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or >>>>> is it a useful feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a >>>>> huge number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends >>>>> to >>>>> work. When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's >>>>> not >>>>> explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not >>>>> normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow >>>>> think it's going to make things worse? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught >>>>> in a system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk >>>>> having >>>>> no impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is >>>>> one of the factors that has led us here. >>>>> >>>>> That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are >>>>> driven by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and >>>>> many (most?) voters are driven by emotion. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Darin, >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in >>>>>> Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying >>>>>> money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the >>>>>> back and not really doing anything productive. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are at the point where people from either side are willing to >>>>>> destroy their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think >>>>>> any >>>>>> of them up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. >>>>>> Because if they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for >>>>>> "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it". >>>>>> "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th >>>>>> chicken >>>>>> wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the >>>>>> people. As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we >>>>>> won't >>>>>> notice them accomplishing nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the >>>>>> people and OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two >>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a >>>>>> different way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for >>>>>> everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a >>>>>> Democrat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone >>>>>> other than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, >>>>>> trans, different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop >>>>>> trying to bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of >>>>>> separation >>>>>> of church and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government >>>>>> issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he >>>>>> feels strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it >>>>>> means he has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm >>>>>> trying to think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party >>>>>> lines >>>>>> to agree with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is >>>>>> Romney a Unicorn in that respect? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for >>>>>> me. Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a >>>>>> democrat but I really don't like what the republican congress has become >>>>>> besides Mitt. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and >>>>>> that's part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it. >>>>>> He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. >>>>>> About a million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue >>>>>> streams they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that >>>>>> would >>>>>> imply something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but >>>>>> it's pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from >>>>>> $700mil >>>>>> to $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's >>>>>> somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill >>>>>> in >>>>>> the blanks with their own version. >>>>>> I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him >>>>>> speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during >>>>>> his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to >>>>>> be >>>>>> about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka >>>>>> bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When >>>>>> it >>>>>> was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's >>>>>> give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very >>>>>> clear >>>>>> that he doesn't know what to do with his office. >>>>>> I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it >>>>>> comes to the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser. >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert, >>>>>> >>>>>> You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business >>>>>> world. Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one >>>>>> has caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to >>>>>> get bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years >>>>>> and >>>>>> years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the >>>>>> armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable >>>>>> person. But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his >>>>>> books >>>>>> look like or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky >>>>>> investments >>>>>> and deals over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I >>>>>> guess >>>>>> successful is a relative term. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped >>>>>> him up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to >>>>>> roost. He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why >>>>>> he >>>>>> wants to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and >>>>>> the >>>>>> IRS to convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to >>>>>> go >>>>>> under public review.. Could be interesting... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>>>> Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes, >>>>>> Donald no. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>>>> >>>>>> Darin, >>>>>> >>>>>> Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a >>>>>> businessman not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. >>>>>> He >>>>>> was going in to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed >>>>>> the >>>>>> Washington wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and >>>>>> family. The man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for >>>>>> impeachment before he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big >>>>>> stink that they weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he >>>>>> was illegitimate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't >>>>>> support him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't >>>>>> know the unwritten rules of Washington. >>>>>> >>>>>> The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for >>>>>> months Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and >>>>>> Trump hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it >>>>>> was just a big game for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was >>>>>> against him, except for the people that voted for him. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from >>>>>> being the devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people >>>>>> voted >>>>>> to keep him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of >>>>>> uneducated rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular >>>>>> belief, he did do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> start any new wars. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was >>>>>> talking about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He >>>>>> made a very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know >>>>>> him. If they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of >>>>>> him. The exact same thing can be said about Trump. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a >>>>>> disgrace to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. >>>>>> He >>>>>> bullied, tweeted, and lied for his entire term. >>>>>> >>>>>> If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all >>>>>> news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our >>>>>> allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories. >>>>>> >>>>>> He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do >>>>>> something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than >>>>>> any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges. >>>>>> >>>>>> He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He >>>>>> doesn't show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't >>>>>> lead. >>>>>> >>>>>> He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to >>>>>> bend the knee. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. >>>>>> We needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but >>>>>> not in a good way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care >>>>>> about every American, not just their base. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a >>>>>> shirt that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS >>>>>> >>>>>> Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local >>>>>> Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's >>>>>> ok >>>>>> to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still >>>>>> disrespectful. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should >>>>>> have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would >>>>>> have >>>>>> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not >>>>>> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may >>>>>> have had not to deal with this bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue >>>>>> with the non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been >>>>>> declared an illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as >>>>>> last time "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". >>>>>> We would be watching cities burn right now. >>>>>> >>>>>> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp >>>>>> would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really >>>>>> think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream >>>>>> media would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for >>>>>> Trump. They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed >>>>>> true >>>>>> and not debated. No winner would be declared yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. >>>>>> That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more >>>>>> people >>>>>> voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this >>>>>> time around. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing >>>>>> outcome? Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing >>>>>> outcome? On the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we >>>>>> aren't seeing the riots. >>>>>> >>>>>> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like >>>>>> the last election was never accepted by half the country. Only >>>>>> difference >>>>>> is at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump >>>>>> bashing day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting >>>>>> depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure >>>>>> for >>>>>> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news. >>>>>> >>>>>> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. >>>>>> Life in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News >>>>>> will >>>>>> move right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was >>>>>> on Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But >>>>>> they >>>>>> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe. >>>>>> >>>>>> The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled >>>>>> into our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They >>>>>> have >>>>>> 2 years to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and >>>>>> senate >>>>>> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change >>>>>> that much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. >>>>>> Maybe some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. >>>>>> Maybe another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed >>>>>> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The >>>>>> precedent >>>>>> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to >>>>>> court. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you >>>>>> claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting >>>>>> quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting >>>>>> their breath on these baseless claims. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard >>>>>> and stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve >>>>>> the >>>>>> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html >>>>>> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie >>>>>> well >>>>>> >>>>>> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ >>>>>> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges >>>>>> ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied? >>>>>> >>>>>> just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something >>>>>> "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years >>>>>> spent >>>>>> pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always >>>>>> offered >>>>>> without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run >>>>>> with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of >>>>>> putting rudy and joe in the spotlight >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve, >>>>>> >>>>>> Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You >>>>>> won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll >>>>>> watchers inside watching the count in every precinct. >>>>>> >>>>>> You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit >>>>>> trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers >>>>>> already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were >>>>>> being >>>>>> distracting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll >>>>>> watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked >>>>>> because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay >>>>>> more attention to clowns than they deserve. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> bp >>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE >>>>>> >>>>>> It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from >>>>>> over. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so >>>>>> thats not really much of a thing anymore >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when >>>>>> clearly he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or >>>>>> what, >>>>>> but he needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not >>>>>> making a fool of himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always >>>>>> been >>>>>> a little off, look at his marriage history. I assume since he was a >>>>>> lawyer >>>>>> and mayor he wasn’t always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the >>>>>> marriage history. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>>> >>>>>
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