Cassidy: No, you can buy the stand-alone radio (unless I am missing something) https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:13 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Somebody’s got to pay the salaries of the people who unbox the kits, break > them up into individual radios, and throw the antennas in the dumpster. > Ordinarily you would pay an eBay seller to do this. Maybe it’s like the > “chicken tax” and Ford pulling the back seats out of new Transit Connect > vans. > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-strange-case-of-fords-attempt-to-avoid-thechicken-tax/2018/07/06/643624fa-796a-11e8-8df3-007495a78738_story.html > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:58 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > > > $999 for a single radio, where a kit is $1500 for two radios and all the > trimmings? > > > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:44 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > > > In stock: > > https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 > > > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:10 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Well, right, that's true, and another thing that you need to consider is > that something like an Aviat will run at higher TX power, and probably has > better receive sensitivity, meaning you might be able to use smaller dishes > for similar performance in some circumstances. > > > > Using 2 foots is doable on 7 miles around here (the ubnt dishes are > actually something like 32", but the gain is more in line with a decent > 2')... but it all depends on what your requirements are. It will lose some > capacity in heavy storms, but I wouldn't expect that to be a major problem > in Utah. Even putting a 3' dish on some structures we're installing on is > questionable (whether for wind load reasons, appearance or even just lack > of space), so 4' or 6' has pretty much been out of the question on the > links I've done. Sometimes you just have to take what you can get. > > > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I didn't mean to imply it would be the same price, but it's a different > value that needs to be considered. > > > > If you need larger or higher quality dishes, they very well could > represent more cost than the electronics in either scenario. Ever price out > 4' or 6' high performance dishes? > > > > > > It's not just cat A vs. cat b, but within cat A there are still huge > differences in what you may need to use in your environment. > > > > That said, in our area, I can't imagine using less than a 3' dish for a 7 > mile link in 11 GHz. I'd be happier with a 4'. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:18:56 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > Well, in theory, the AF11 will be available without the dishes again at > some point... > > > > I think an Aviat single transceiver link came out to about $6k for the > hardware, with 2' dishes when I priced it, so that's nearly double the > price of the AF11. If we say $1k of that is in the dishes (I don't remember > exactly how the pricing broke down, but I think the dishes were actually > quite a bit less than that), that's still an almost $2k difference (with > throwing the ubiquiti dishes away)... presumably the better dishes will be > about the same price for either radio, so the only other difference is > going to be a few hundred for adapters to connect the AF11 to a real dish. > > > > It didn't used to be too big of a difference in price to use Jirous dishes > with the AF11, because even though you had to buy an adapter (which I think > was like $140), the dishes were cheaper, but I don't think that's the case > anymore (and it obvious isn't if you can only get the kit). > > > > And of course, if you only need ~350Mbps, you could just do single pol > with the AF11, and there'd be no need to go with better radios... and it > would take ~$350 off the price, since you don't need the extra duplexers. > > > > But the only reason I'd see you needing better dishes on a 7 mile link is > if congestion makes a cat A dish necessary. > > > > Shipping cost also starts to add up when you're dealing with bigger > dishes... Chuck could probably pick up the AF11 kits locally from > Streakwave, but that may not be the case for other stuff. > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > How much more is it, though, for better radios if you need the better > dishes, yet have to buy the Ubiquiti dishes anyway? > > AF11 kit with dishes (that you'll just throw away) > > N to waveguide adapters > > Good dish > > > > vs. > > > > Better radio > > Good dish > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:21:00 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > I used Comsearch for the last few we did... the price wasn't much > different at the time, but I have no idea if that's still the case. > > > > Ken is right about the performance... you basically get he same throughput > out of dual pol that higher end radios get on single pol. It only really > matters if the area is congested, but if it is, you may need to spend more > and get better radios. > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 8:51 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > So is Liz still the best value for freq coordination and license prep? > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34 AM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > > > I don’t have any AF11X and may be remembering wrong, but I think you > basically have to coordinate dual pol, for single pol performance. So if > you’re in a congested area, it might be marginally more difficult to > coordinate because you won’t have the option of using single pol if only V > or H is available. V is usually preferred because of less rain fade, so > sometimes H is still available. Bottom line, might want to do frequency > coordination before buying hardware. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:15 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > > > Thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 8, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The kit is available with high band duplexers. > > > > But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in kit > form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which should > be fine for 7 miles anyway), So you'd be at about $3200 for the hardware (2 > kits plus two more duplexers to do mimo). If I remember correctly, > coordination and licensing was somewhere around $1600 on the last link we > did, so you'll probably end up right around $5K total. > > > > I haven't ever had any problem finding an open frequency, but that > completely depends on the area. > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> > wrote: > > Additionally if you get a high band allotment you’ll need new duplexes all > the way around. > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > wrote: > > Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is $1500, > need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K (at the > most) for the coordination/licensing fees. If you want better antennas than > the UBNT ones in the kit, they'll be over and above. Radiowaves and KP make > good ones (they're the same antenna, actually). > > > > > > *Jesse DuPont* > > Owner / Network Architect > email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net > Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC > Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc > > Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband > > <celeritynetworks-GIF.gif> > > > > On 5/8/20 4:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > $4K, both radios, both antennas and a license? > > > > *From:* Jesse DuPont > > *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:39 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x > > > > About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. Might > have to upgrade antennas. > > > > *Jesse DuPont* > > Owner / Network Architect > email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net > Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC > Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc > > Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband > > <celeritynetworks-GIF.gif> > > > > On 5/8/20 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > What is the cost, all in, license, antennas, everything for a system that > will do 7 miles? > > What throughput will that have? > > How likely is it to find an open frequency? > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > > Jason Wilson > Remotely Located > Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. > 530-651-1736 > 530-748-9608 Cell > www.remotelylocated.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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