The failure by age of most N95 masks has to do with the rubber bands
that hold them on. It's such a simple failure and so fixable with a
touch of ingenuity... Buy a bunch of bungy cord and take it apart for
the strings of rubber...
On 4/8/20 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It’s so strange that some people are asymptomatic. Yet for many
people the symptoms are terrible and go on for a long time. Like
Chris Cuomo has described (not sure why he’s still on TV). Or I read
that Amy Klobuchar’s husband had to go to the hospital when he started
puking up blood. It can’t just be age or underlying conditions, those
are both relatively young people in good health. Yet other people
don’t even know they had it, I guess they’re the Typhoid Mary’s of
Covid 19.
Maybe there’s a genetic factor to what you’re describing.
Supposedly the limiting factor to how many people can be put on
ventilators might be they are running out of the sedatives they use
when they intubate people. And they’re running out of swabs to test
people. Damn, can’t we make anything? I guess the “just in time”
economy is literally killing us.
I read something about Finland being the preppers of the Baltic.
Unlike Sweden and Norway they are still paranoid about Russia and have
maintained their Cold War era preparedness. They probably have lots
of toilet paper. They also have lots of medical equipment and PPE,
although if they are N95 masks from 1950 they might not be in prime
condition. Apparently Finland shares a border with Russia and has
access only to the Baltic Sea, not the North Atlantic.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
There is an antibody test now available and a lab in town here doing
it. Priority is given to first responders, and it's already a month
out. However, I read an article yesterday that had lots of info on how
the virus acts and they were saying ventilators may be making it
worse. Apparently, the virus latches on to the heme in your hemoglobin
in your red cells, disassociating the toxic oxidative iron ion that
attracts the O2. This prevents O2 from bonding to the red blood cells.
To make matters worse, it is a permanent condition and the only fix is
generating or introducing new red blood cells that can carry oxygen.
Your kidneys start producing erythropoietin which tells your bone
marrow to start ramping up production. That toxic iron now running
around overwhelms the epithelial surface of the lungs which usually
takes care of this stuff when it occurs naturally. This leads to
damage and inflammation in the lungs, not pneumonia. So, now your
liver kicks up its iron storage capability but soon gets overwhelmed
and starts releasing ALT which is a cry for help. At that point, it is
almost too late. If you bone marrow can't produce new red cells faster
than the virus attacks them, it's all over. No amount of forcing air
into the lungs will help. Providing pure oxygen like in a hyperbaric
chamber may, but direct blood transfusions with healthy red cells is
the best chance as there are not a lot of hyperbaric chambers around.
So, Hydroxychloroquine works the same way it does on malaria (which by
the way attacks hemoglobin as well), by preventing the virus from
attaching to the hemoglobin. It also lowers the blood pH helping to
stop the replication of the virus. If you can keep your cells carrying
oxygen and slow down virus replication, Your body can probably handle
the rest.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:15 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
What everyone tries not to talk about is there’s evidently not
that much a hospital can do. If you just need IV fluids and
oxygen, sure. But if you need one of those ventilators, the
prognosis is grim. It sounds like the survival rate for people
who are intubated is somewhere in the 20 to 40% range.
Obviously if the hospitals get overrun, now you get Italy, where
the mortality fate even for non-Covid cases skyrockets.
I’m agreeing with you here, but we’re buying time until (a)
universal testing (b) testing to see who has recovered and has at
least temporary immunity, (c) new therapies being tested that
could be more effective than ventilators, and (d) a vaccine.
BTW, the TV news was just talking about Los Angeles where
businesses can now refuse to serve people not wearing masks, to
protect frontline workers in essential businesses. Reporter in
the field said he observed people talking loudly about people NOT
wearing masks.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:46 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
We drove 1.5 hrs to a town with no reported infections ( yeah lot
of bs that is ) and were shopping is a safeway for 15 minutes, the
safeway had all the precautions and people wiping stuff down.
Then some lady without a mask ( this is in California where masks
are supposed to be required ) started hacking up a lung right by
the checkout counters, 1/2 way into her bare elbow. It was
pretty obvious that this wasn't an ordinary coughing fit. We were
all decked out in PPE but that drove home decontaminating when we
got home. But the wife doesn't get it. 8/10's isn't good
enough. We are going to come down with it somewhere along the
line. It's certain. Just hope it is after the hospitals are past
the worst point so that we can get taken care of instead of
triaged. So I will stay away and hope that I don't get someone
else sick...
On 4/7/20 7:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
No, sorry. The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks.
*From:*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:*Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made
fun of you wearing a mask?
On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the
grocery store. Walked in and there was a construction
worker in a mask, then a soccer mom.... then a skinny
redneck, with his skinny redneck wife. Started clucking
like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a
video. Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough
that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing,
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman....
Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth
sprung into action. I literally had to stop myself from
backing him into a display of pork and beans with some
comments of “you got a problem with me”. Visions of a
throat punch were clear in my head...
But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or
the ER or a dentist would not be fun this evening, and
moved alone. Ran into a handful of other chickens on the
way out the store.
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