So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent anywhere have they
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what > is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid > May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want > to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life > for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of > refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our > county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they > have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population > here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two hospitals here > are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma > patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the bigger cities which > will not be an option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities > and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some of the > data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized you start to > grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he > was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be > tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If > it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as > we speak... > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt... >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt... >>> >>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the 3 >>>> Stooges line "I resemble that remark"...... >>>> >>>> Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm.... I >>>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already >>>> are..... >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Jason McKemie < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies >>>> >>>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to >>>> have people revolting (myself included). >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - >>>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of >>>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to >>>>> actually >>>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years >>>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to >>>>> find something else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies >>>>> >>>>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try >>>>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having >>>>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. >>>>> I >>>>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? >>>>> >>>>> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all >>>>> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run >>>>> it's >>>>> course, or so it seems to me. >>>>> >>>>> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the >>>>> hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce social >>>>> isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end >>>>> organically as people get sick of staying home? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic >>>>> >>>>> The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate >>>>> hidden numbers of magnitude >>>>> >>>>> Heres the logic thats completely being ignored >>>>> >>>>> The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been >>>>> attributed to flu >>>>> There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the anticipated >>>>> rates this year >>>>> >>>>> The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts of >>>>> those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT equate >>>>> to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody can just >>>>> go >>>>> get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a >>>>> promising >>>>> number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in the >>>>> very high probability category. So of those assumed to be infected, only 8 >>>>> percent of them actually are. >>>>> >>>>> We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths from >>>>> the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY TODAY, there >>>>> are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The current >>>>> response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet. >>>>> >>>>> Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island >>>>> infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only >>>>> do >>>>> we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands of >>>>> indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having >>>>> locked up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a >>>>> whole >>>>> other OT rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine >>>>> that >>>>> having helped their situation. >>>>> >>>>> Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than >>>>> they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's >>>>>> really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far off >>>>>> what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have reported >>>>>> are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls >>>>>> than >>>>>> most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the >>>>>> outbreak >>>>>> than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low >>>>>> numbers at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries... it >>>>>> certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their numbers, it >>>>>> all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this point, >>>>>> and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter >>>>>> what >>>>>> the source is, but the high level of government control over everything >>>>>> in >>>>>> North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something on >>>>>>> NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or never) >>>>>>> before we understand the scope of this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are >>>>>>> covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> No sanitation facilities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to >>>>>>> indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the death count is the death count >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Total Control Panel Login >>>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your >>>> allow list. >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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