One of the vlogs that I watched posted a month ago the processes that N. Korea was following very shortly after the initial outbreak.   It was a textbook response based upon what China was doing to suppress community spread.   Hate to say it, but for once it looked like N. Korea was ahead of the rest of the world.

On 3/9/20 9:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Perhaps they just immediately bury anybody that's infected...

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    I find it hard to believe that North Korea is missing out on all
    the fun.
    *From:* Mathew Howard
    *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
    It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of
    people (South Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.
    On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

        Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the
        infected ones to stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships
        and unprotected healthcare workers.

        And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get
        serious symptoms, I wonder if they are silently transmitting
        the virus.

        It does seem so far like transmission within families is
        almost 100%.  Not sure how that would change if people were
        tested and then practiced recommended methods to avoid
        transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they
        know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.

        The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having
        such great success now controlling the new case rate.  It
        can’t JUST be the lockdown.  It’s almost like they have a lot
        of people that have recovered without knowing they had it and
        are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading
        so fast through a population that now has a certain percent
        are immune.  I believe I saw something about it stops when
        either 50% of the population has recovered and is immune, or a
        vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 50% number was
        just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was
        that an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the
        population to be susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other
        way it stops is if it is so deadly that it kills its host
        before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that way. 
        Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed
        symptoms. Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
        *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
        *To:* af@af.afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

        Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

        /Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the
        London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently
        talked to The Times about how people should look at the
        coronavirus data./
        /One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in
        an area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community
        transmission already,” he said./
        /“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent,
        which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death,
        then that person probably became ill about three weeks ago.
        That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago,
        in reality.”/
        /“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number
        could well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So
        you’re currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”/

        My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases
        in a community, then a lot of people are running around with
        no clue that they have been infected.

        bp

        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

            We have moved from containment to community mitigation,
            where the goal is to flatten the curve and avoid
            overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a vaccine
            (no, not imminent). Messaging has not quite caught up with
            this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you
            can figure it out.

            Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your
            hands, and use the hand sanitizer that I assume will be
            everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

            And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has
            Amtrak.  Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?

            *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
            *Steve Jones
            *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

            Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from
            here in town was in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

            So that equates to "its here in town now"

            I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having
            the baby cut from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day
            recovery in thos hospital. In the mean time everybody and
            their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital
            because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre
            bringing every germ known to man into one place. Hospitals
            are already infection centers, dirty filthy cesspools of
            disease.

            The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im
            taking it home. Wifes on her own at the death center.
            Herpes will be riding bareback on cold viruses after
            inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.

            On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List
            Account) <li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

                Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:

                1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in
                a hospital with something looking like nCov and which
                got tested.   We don't currently know how many people
                have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't
                counted as an infected person. As we improve our
                testing ability, we'll find more cases which aren't
                hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
                pushing the rate lower.

                2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to
                tell that some of the cases that we aren't attributing
                to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing the rate higher.

                Does that describe what you're saying?

                On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes
                <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

                    More people being tested means two things:

                    1) the death rate goes way down
                    2) the death rate goes way up, because we
                    currently have folks dying of pneumonia that
                    wasn’t the flu.

                    > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka
                    Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
                    >
                    > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming
                    Friday.  Went into town this
                    > weekend, stopped  by  5-6 stores including lunch
                    out.  I have an
                    > employee going on a cruise next week.
                    >
                    > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
                    >
                    > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a
                    rock.  Let's keep this
                    > in  perspective.   Currently the total infection
                    rate per 1 million in
                    > the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest
                    infection rate at 144 per
                    > million.   That  infection rate  not  death
                    rate.  Death rate is even
                    > lower.
                    >
                    > If you are under 50 years old, your death
                    chances are under 0.5%.
                    >
                    > It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest
                    Labs and Labcorp are both
                    > doing  testing,  more people  will  get 
                    tested.  More people getting
                    > tested, means more people being counted as a case.
                    >
                    > --
                    > Best regards,
                    > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
                    >
                    > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                    > www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
                    >
                    > ------
                    >
                    > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
                    >
                    > MH> You’re really making light of this serious
                    situation aren’t you?
                    >
                    >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones
                    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>> --000000000000216fbc05a061e421
                    >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
                    >>>
                    >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak
                    train had apparently stopped in
                    >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the
                    end of that. Already took the
                    >>> family out to the garden and put them down,
                    now I just wait for sweet death.
                    >>>
                    >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard
                    <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to
                    avoid spreading anything.
                    >>>> According to the news stories droplets of
                    saliva and rubbing your eyes are
                    >>>> the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give
                    you even more dominance than
                    >>>> spit anyway.
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>> *From:* A
                    >
                    >
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