It's NDA protected but we buy from Calix direct. This was a price we got
with negotiation. I know people paying less and people paying more. It
comes down to volume. We committed to purchasing 1,200 over time to get
this price. Before I think we were paying $105.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 1:34 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Where are you getting the 844e for $100?
>
> On Sunday, December 15, 2019, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The audience costs about $160 right now when you get the Calix 844e for
>> much cheaper than that close to $100. Mesh is even less and it's easy
>> for the customer to pair.
>>
>> Plus it's all managed by you in a single management system. 50 cents per
>> month per router. All these other systems people are talking about are more
>> expensive upfront and there's zero management of them that is easy with
>> support behind it.
>>
>> If someone says management is expensive, I say it would take 10 years for
>> the Mikrotik with zero monthly costs to breakeven. That's $60 divided by
>> 50 cents = 120 months or 10 years.
>>
>> So Calix at $100 upfront and $0.50 monthly is way better value than any
>> other managed routers. This is carrier grade gear too better than the wifi
>> on any other managed router, period. 4x4 mu-mimo chipset on 5ghz with great
>> range and reliability.
>>
>> Everything else people are posting cost more with no capability to manage
>> thousands of devices. You could try your own tr-069 platform but that costs
>> labor and money as well. Just pay the man (Calix) for software they already
>> have polished and if you need help, their support is included in what you
>> pay so they will fix it instead of you. Time is money. If you waste your
>> own time doing everything for "free or cheap", you're actually costing
>> yourself lots of money.
>>
>> You don't always need to reinvent the wheel. I have the same thoughts on
>> billing systems when people say sonar, Powercode, Azotel are too expensive.
>> I say they're worth every penny because instead of sinking money into my
>> own system and waiting for something polished, I can just pay these guys
>> for a system that already works and focus on making money by growing. By
>> trying to do everything yourself, you will absolutely cost the company
>> money in hopes of trying to save money. This is why we do our best not to
>> host any servers. Email and file storage is Google, payroll is gusto,
>> billing is Azotel on their servers, phone system is on a vps at Linode,
>> quickbooks online. All of this keeps me from trying to be a server
>> administrator and I can grow our revenue.
>>
>> Sorry to rant and go off topic but I think wisp's shouldn't always try to
>> do what's cheapest or free when many of the paid solutions will help their
>> business grow. Outsource anything that is not your core business so you can
>> be laser focused.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 11:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally missed the existence of this product and apparently the US
>>> version is actually shipping.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried them out?  Typical of mesh systems, it doesn’t have a
>>> full complement of Ethernet ports, but 2 is better than 1 like some of the
>>> mesh products out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s less expensive than a 4011, but it’s pretty and has easy mesh
>>> setup.  A 4011 is currently my best Mikrotik family choice for whole home
>>> WiFi coverage in large homes,  but it’s overkill for most customers, who
>>> typically don’t need anything close to 10 GigE ports, the 4011 also gets
>>> pretty hot, and it’s expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rarely in customer homes can we run cables to additional routers and use
>>> CAPsMAN, and the Mikrotik powerline networking product has been
>>> disappointing.  Am I missing something about the easy mesh setup?  Is this
>>> something I could do with hAP ac or 4011 routers if I just learned how?
>>> The “Audience” product has two 5 GHz radios and apparently uses U-NII-1 for
>>> clients and the upper bands for backhaul between mesh units.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m hoping since this runs the regular Mikrotik OS that you don’t really
>>> have to use a phone and the Audience app to set it up and can just use
>>> Winbox from an Ethernet port.  That’s something I dislike about most
>>> customer purchased mesh systems like Google/Nest or Eero, you need an app
>>> on your phone and to set up a Google or Eero cloud account, so it’s not
>>> really something our installers are going to want to set up for the
>>> customer.
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