Our typical setup medium sized sites is:
Traco TSP-360-148 (360W @ 48V)
Traco TSP-BCM48A (we usually put a string of 4 12-33ah 12V
batteries on these)
For very small sites, where we only need (or can fit) 1 12V
battery, but still require 48VDC, we do:
Meanwell SDR-240-48
Traco TSP-BCMU (good for ~220W, can output either 24VDC or 48VDC
with a single 12VDC battery.. we usually put a single 18-33ah
battery on these)
Voltage drop obviously depends on length of the run, but you
should be able to easily calculate that. We usually adjust our
PSU's (at the bottom) to ~54VDC and we typically see ~49-51VDC at
the top. Yes, you can tweak the output of both the Meanwell and
the Traco to compensate for voltage drop if needed.
We use a Shireen hybrid fiber cable which has a 12AWG pair for
DC. We use these up to 200ft or so.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
So what’s the Traco parts list for that?
I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and
try it out.
If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?
I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output
can accommodate for voltage drop.
What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually
30-100 ft max length?
I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and
50’ is maybe 47.5v at the end?
So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by
Traco BCM/TSP combos @ ~54V with no issues.
I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series
and float higher.
That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down
POE if it gets lower than 48v.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
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Why not run your system at 54 volts? If the radio freaks
out above 54, just set it at 54 and you should be fine.
Battery strings don’t exceed the float voltage of the
rectifier. If you are worried about it float at 53.75
volts.
*From:*Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:*Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for
something like this.
Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
That's weird to me. Any telecom equipment made for 48v I
would have assumed they intended it to be used with a
rectifier, and consequently I would assume it'd be ok up
to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v
for a short duration. But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive
equipment like that. Meanwell has a good selection.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes
above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t
float/charge above 54v, or maybe even just 50v?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust
what you see on google, it's like 50% less
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout
<t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float
at 54v, it's also adjustable via the battery
chemistry
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling
Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.
So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to
output 50v instead of just 48v?
There will be some loss going 100’ or
so, right?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On
Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC
conversion
12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah
of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 48v
string
ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge
compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
Or
Alternativly;
48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu +
lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper
options available)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling
Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to put a “box” system
together for our house POP sites and
need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.
Can you guys give me an idea or
example of the following?
I want to take standard AC 15A in
from a breaker outside the box.
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH
AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the
side of the house.
I have never ordered DIN parts like
this, guess I don’t have to use DIN,
but would be nice.
Having a problem finding a DC to DC
converter that takes 12v and
upconverts to 50v 5-6A.
Is this the cost effective method?
Something like this:
Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II
SMON Base II 1.00 $100.00 $100.00
UPS Monitor Sitemonitor Int
MorningStar MeterBus SMON
MorningStar 1.00
$60.00 $60.00
UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
1.00 $165.00 $165.00
Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP
FT12-105AH 2.00 $225.00 $450.00
DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and
trunk stuff 1.00 $100.00 $100.00
DC 12v to 50v 5A 1.00 $150.00 $150.00
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