Supreme court cases says you can open and tinker etc without voiding
warranties.
I don’t think a license agreement binds you to anything anymore when
it comes to this type of activity.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to agree to
the license agreement before you can do anything.
That being said, I don't think you have to agree to a license
agreement to load firmware in recovery mode. But recovery mode wasn't
mentioned anywhere in the document that I saw.
I think I read someone else comment that "user agreements" aren't
really being enforced in a court of law - almost like non-competes. I
don't know.....but if the are, yah, technically anyone who has done
this could be in trouble.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Coudron
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is
how inflated and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems
in legal documents that overly exaggerative claims are done so for
publicity. The language in this filing seems to read more like
National Enquirer and less like an FCC findings summary. I would
expect this to be less outlandish if they really felt they had a
strong case. Claiming a multi-party hacking conspiracy (which is
really what the complaint is claiming from what I can discern) is
going to be really tough to make stick. Claiming Cambium caused
harm to their business due to copyright violation would be a much
better approach I would think. But they seem to have taken the
National Enquirer approach, usually when you hear those kinds of
things, they don’t go anywhere. It will be interesting to see
what happens.
As far as the FCC violation goes, they were more careful in their
wording. To my understanding, they basically said that hacking
the firmware gives someone the ability to violate FCC limits and
doesn’t imply that they can prove anyone actually did.
Could be they felt that they were compelled to file this case
whether they feel they can win or not…..
Smarter folks than me will sort it all out…. 😊
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
They named a forum user as a defendant...
" 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted
as an “occasional contributor”—posted on a message board
instructing a user on how to use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies"
This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the hardware
we're purchasing?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Howard
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were
using it, they're suing them because they're saying they
helped market it.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett
<[email protected]> wrote:
Case study\testimonial.
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*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually
using the product? Did they gain access to the carriers
network to verify? With out them knowing? Other than that
it is all hearsay.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett
<[email protected]> wrote:
A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer
might have a pre-existing bias and ought to be removed.
.....not that I know anything about it. Not really my
department.
On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're
talking about. in fact, they're not going to
understand most of the techno babble.
unless they manage to land a juror who has run
cambium or ubnt gear, that is going to be
irrelevant...
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Robert Andrews
*To:*[email protected]
*Sent:*Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So much for being the winner by
disruption... Yeah, you could see this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of
expenses... I just replaced a bunch
of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip
failure. Old electronics that
fail not because of exposure to discharges or
stuff like that. Just too
cheap run too hot...
On 08/10/2018 08:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> I imagine the reason it didn't happen
sooner, is because of the fact
> that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad
(especially the part about suing
> a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying
to come up with an argument
> that would hold up.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>
> I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.
The whole elevate thing was
> asking for it.
>
> On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett
<[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
>
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues
Cambium Networks.
>
>
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware
>
> I'd like to see more of the claims.
>
> They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and
Dmitry Moiseev of Cambium.
> They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES,
CORP..
>
> They've sued BLIP Networks, a WISP
in southern Illinois.
>
>
>
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