Supreme court cases says you can open and tinker etc without voiding 
warranties.  
I don’t think a license agreement binds you to anything anymore when it comes 
to this type of activity.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium


Looked like a strong case to me.  Especially since you have to agree to the 
license agreement before you can do anything.
That being said, I don't think you have to agree to a license agreement to load 
firmware in recovery mode.  But recovery mode wasn't
mentioned anywhere in the document that I saw.

I think I read someone else comment that "user agreements" aren't really being 
enforced in a court of law - almost like non-competes.  I don't know.....but if 
the are, yah, technically anyone who has done this could be in trouble.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Coudron 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

  I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how inflated 
and exaggerative the language is.  Typically it seems in legal documents that 
overly exaggerative claims are done so for publicity.   The language in this 
filing seems to read more like National Enquirer and less like an FCC findings 
summary.  I would expect this to be less outlandish if they really felt they 
had a strong case.   Claiming a multi-party hacking conspiracy (which is really 
what the complaint is claiming from what I can discern) is going to be really 
tough to make stick.   Claiming Cambium caused harm to their business due to 
copyright violation would be a much better approach I would think.   But they 
seem to have taken the National Enquirer approach, usually when you hear those 
kinds of things, they don’t go anywhere.   It will be interesting to see what 
happens.   

   

  As far as the FCC violation goes, they were more careful in their wording.   
To my understanding, they basically said that hacking the firmware gives 
someone the ability to violate FCC limits and doesn’t imply that they can prove 
anyone actually did.   

   

  Could be they felt that they were compelled to file this case whether they 
feel they can win or not….. 

   

  Smarter folks than me will sort it all out…. 😊

   

  Regards,

   

  David Coudron

  From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
  Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

   

  They named a forum user as a defendant... 

   

  " 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted as an 
“occasional contributor”—posted on a message board instructing a user on how to 
use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies"

   

  This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the hardware we're 
purchasing? 

   

  On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

    Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were using it, 
they're suing them because they're saying they helped market it.

     

    On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

      Case study\testimonial.



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      Intelligent Computing Solutions

      Midwest Internet Exchange

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      From: [email protected]
      To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
      Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

      How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the 
product?  Did they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out them 
knowing? Other than that it is all hearsay. 

      Sent from my iPhone


      On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:

        A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer might have a 
pre-existing bias and ought to be removed.
        .....not that I know anything about it.  Not really my department.



        On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

           

          the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about.  in 
fact, they're not going to understand most of the techno babble.

          unless they manage to land a juror who has run cambium or ubnt gear, 
that is going to be irrelevant...

           

            ----- Original Message ----- 

            From: Robert Andrews 

            To: [email protected] 

            Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM

            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

             

            So much for being the winner by disruption...   Yeah, you could see 
this 
            coming.   Dear Robert has a lot of expenses...  I just replaced a 
bunch 
            of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure.   Old electronics 
that 
            fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that.  
Just too 
            cheap run too hot...

            On 08/10/2018 08:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
            > I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of the 
fact 
            > that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part about 
suing 
            > a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with an 
argument 
            > that would hold up.
            > 
            > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie 
            > <[email protected] 
            > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            > 
            >     I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. The whole elevate 
thing was
            >     asking for it.
            > 
            >     On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
            >     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            > 
            >         
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
            > 
            >         Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.​ sues Cambium Networks​.
            > 
            >         
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware
            > 
            >         I'd like to see more of the claims.
            > 
            >         They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry Moiseev of 
Cambium.
            >         They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP.​.
            > 
            >         They've sued BLIP Networks​, a WISP in southern Illinois.
            > 
            > 
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