hi, 

I confirm that,

we can't seem to rename deleted/removed adgroups, adding a new adgroup with 
same name is also not working, 

kinda stuck situation...


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====================

On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:41:43 PM UTC+2, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API 
Team) wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 
> sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team.
>
> Cheers,
> Anash
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anash,
>>
>> Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 
>> 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas <eric.ste...@gmail.com 
>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) <
>>> adwordsapia...@google.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with 
>>>> the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Anash
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anash,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be 
>>>>> enforced going forward for removed items?  If AdWords is no longer going 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would 
>>>>> still be part of the uniqueness check.  As we've described in this 
>>>>> thread, 
>>>>> it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating 
>>>>> problems for UI users as well.  The user would try to create a new Ad 
>>>>> Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used 
>>>>> - 
>>>>> but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't 
>>>>> change it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) <
>>>>> adwordsapia...@google.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so 
>>>>>> you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Anash
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Anash/API Team
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the 
>>>>>>> sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to 
>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>> problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the 
>>>>>>> renaming 
>>>>>>> of deleted adgroups!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anash, you mentioned:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow 
>>>>>>> deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> hear from them
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you heard from the team?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen 
>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mariusz,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow 
>>>>>>>> deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread 
>>>>>>>> as I 
>>>>>>>> hear from them,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Anash
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version 
>>>>>>>>> deleted adgroups. Imagine:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    - user creates adgroup “test” 
>>>>>>>>>    - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to 
>>>>>>>>>    “test_del” and then marks as deleted 
>>>>>>>>>    - user creates again adgroup named “test” 
>>>>>>>>>    - user tries to delete it 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename 
>>>>>>>>> adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may 
>>>>>>>>> do in 
>>>>>>>>> that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mariusz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your 
>>>>>>>>>> software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete 
>>>>>>>>>> it?  We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text 
>>>>>>>>>> "_del" to 
>>>>>>>>>> all adgroup names that are about to be deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface 
>>>>>>>>>> rather than your software, then the above won't help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anash/API Team
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to 
>>>>>>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great to get an answer on this please!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen 
>>>>>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only 
>>>>>>>>>>>> active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the user 
>>>>>>>>>>>> deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>> name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'll 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the team to investigate this further.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anash P. Oommen,
>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API Advisor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the quick response Anash!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are working on an optimisation application that uses a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> user 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> error by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> error. Our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enabled us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create the new adgroup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strict 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaigns 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is critical to our operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could "version" adgroup names, but this seems pretty 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> labels and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more (potentially error-prone) manual work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you think of a workaround?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v201406 works today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anash P. Oommen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API Advisor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm having problems with a new "OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMOVED_ENTITY" error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you can't "undelete" an adgroup (ie set any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a keyword to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This seems 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> API. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is mention of this in another post:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ​
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