Ok, I'm back. I stopped by because I heard about the ruckus. I am not wrong about my sentiments. I am not submitting disinformation. I'm expressing my viewpoint based on my experience and what I've witnessed reading 9fans. Help do the right thing and help eliminate abusive behavior. The article I wrote wasn't anything special. 9fans has years of evidence for additional claims. I'm grateful that the evidences exist online. If you want me to elaborate, I'll write about them. What I want to know is why abusive behavior permitted on the 9fans mailing list? I do not mind exposing bad behavior to a much broader audience so that it can get the attention it deserves so that positive change can occur. Quite honestly, the Plan 9 community would be better for it.
I'm hoping change will happen. It will be good for those that want to contribute. It is not about control but rather it is about helping others. Putting others down isn't helpful nor being friendly. For anyone that engages in abusive behavior, please consider getting professional help. Entitlement doesn't justify abuse. I do not write to be spiteful. I write because I care, and I hope to promote positive change. Sincerely, Vic On Fri, May 17, 2024, at 23:49, Jacob Moody wrote: > Hit the enter key a bit early... > This is directed at Vic, if that is not clear already. > To everyone else who called me out for assuming malice on victor's part > because he was "just trying to help", does this not > make my claim more obvious now? This likewise is including AI bullshit, > and I suspect my claims about his other mails > being LLM trash are also correct too. There was no apology owed and > none should have been given. This is about the > furthest thing from "helping" that there is. > > To be direct, I have found the misinformation about 9front on this list > to be at best highly incompetent and at > worst actively malicious to spread misinformation. Is this really what > our resident "9front-haters" are going to rally behind? > Like I respect that some people don't like us, that's fine. I get that > some people have some differences but AI generated misinformation > is downright insulting. The demands that 9front do something or change > their behavior to match some noncontributor's opinion here is > frankly also insulting our time. I've generally held respect for the > people here who have been around a lot longer, while I may disagree > I will read and think about what is said here. However is this is the > type of behavior that is defended (and therefore encouraged) I am > not interested at all. > > I'll be around on this list to argue against the misinformation > campaigns, it is clear that if we were to go away this type of > misinformation > would run rampant. I really expected better. > > - Moody > > On 5/17/24 09:14, Jacob Moody wrote: >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/ >> >> This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this >> incorrect garbage down. >> >> >> On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote: >>> It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll correct >>> the mistakes found. >>> >>> Thank you for the kind feedback. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email. >>> >>> On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024, pl...@room3420.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> an other interesting reading : >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm appalled and frankly furious about this article. It's blatant >>>> slander which can affect me in my professional career. I'm a phD >>>> candidate and my work is based on Plan 9 and developed on 9front; I >>>> was going to present it at iwp9 but could not once the venue was >>>> changed as it rendered it incompatible with my time table. >>>> >>>> The article lacks references to many of its claims, and the remaining >>>> ones directly contradict its points. The Register article is even >>>> linked incorrectly. A superficial reader would not bother to try to >>>> follow the links or find the article. For me this is clearly >>>> malicious attention-seeking. >>>> >>>> Regarding the pdf posted earlier[1], almost all of it is factually >>>> incorrect. As an example, there are no drivers for modern nvidia or >>>> amd chips or bluetooth. Many of the "system calls" listed in the pdf >>>> are not system calls (proccreate) or simply don't exit (vlongtime), >>>> and so on. In addition, it is trivial to recreate the same content >>>> with a query like the following: `Generate a detailed book-style >>>> document called "Revitalizing Plan 9: integrating modern enhacements >>>> into 9legacy" detailing all improvements introduced in 9front compared >>>> to 9legacy'. See for yourself in an excerpt below my email. >>>> >>>> I don't understand what the goal here is. All this post and pdf >>>> accomplish is spreading misinformation, promoting cancel culture, >>>> fostering community division and discouraging collaboration with >>>> 9front and even 9legacy, directly contradicting both Vic's claims and >>>> that of those who have sided with him in the thread. At this point, >>>> use of chatgpt in this thread is blatant and harmful. Please stop. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> qwx >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Revitalizing Plan 9: Integrating Modern Enhancements into 9legacy >>>> Introduction >>>> Plan 9 from Bell Labs has long been recognized for its innovative approach >>>> to distributed computing. However, as hardware and software technologies >>>> advanced, the need for a more modernized version of Plan 9 became >>>> apparent. This need led to the development of 9front, a fork of Plan 9 >>>> that incorporates numerous enhancements and updates, surpassing 9legacy in >>>> several key areas. This document details these improvements, offering a >>>> comprehensive comparison of the advancements introduced in 9front over >>>> 9legacy. >>>> >>>> Chapter 1: Graphics and Video Drivers >>>> Improved Graphics Hardware Support >>>> One of the most significant areas of enhancement in 9front is its support >>>> for modern graphics hardware. This includes: >>>> >>>> Support for Newer GPUs: 9front integrates drivers for the latest GPU >>>> models, ensuring compatibility with modern graphics cards from >>>> manufacturers like NVIDIA and AMD. >>>> Enhanced Frame Buffer Device: The frame buffer device driver has been >>>> optimized for better performance, providing smoother graphics rendering >>>> and faster display updates. >>>> Broad Chipset Compatibility: 9front supports a wider range of graphics >>>> chipsets, allowing it to run on diverse hardware configurations with >>>> improved stability and performance. >>>> Advanced Video Handling >>>> 9front has made considerable strides in handling video output, >>>> particularly with high-resolution and multi-monitor setups. >>>> >>>> High-Resolution Display Support: Enhanced support for high-resolution >>>> displays, including 4K monitors, ensures crisp and clear visuals. >>>> Multi-Monitor Configurations: Improved multi-monitor support allows users >>>> to extend their desktop across multiple screens seamlessly, enhancing >>>> productivity and usability. >>>> >>>> Chapter 2: Networking >>>> [...] ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te051f230f2656bbb-Ma4031127bd345bc43d43518a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
