are you contributing the team? and paying the team?

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 2:22 AM <vester.thac...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> The complexity of communication in this medium often necessitates detailed 
> discussions.  You highlighted the need for additional personnel to manage the 
> workload (e.g. do the work).  From my perspective, this requires a 
> well-defined vision, clear objectives, and a prioritized list of deliverables 
> to align efforts effectively.  Currently, it seems the role of product 
> managers is collectively held, though it's unclear who exactly is 
> responsible.  Typically, a team of two or more individuals would focus on 
> these deliverables.  In past projects, I've seen the use of a project board 
> to keep everyone updated on tasks—an approach known as "information radiator" 
> in project management.  I'm open to other methods if you had something 
> different in mind that I may have overlooked.  If you are considering a 
> meritocracy, I would recommend caution.  Experience has shown that what we 
> truly need is increased collaboration and unity, rather than a system that 
> could potentially encourage competition and division.  I apologize if my 
> message is obtuse, I am trying to keep this message concise, I can expound 
> more for clarity.  I hope my explanation helps.
>
> Vic
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 03:36, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > that's not what I said.
> >
> > Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm:
> >> I agree that having a clear vision and charter is essential before forming 
> >> a team. Regarding building an inclusive Plan 9 community that encompasses 
> >> multiple groups, it's important to establish common goals and values that 
> >> resonate with all members. What are your thoughts on creating open 
> >> channels for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that everyone 
> >> feels valued and heard? This approach could foster a more cooperative and 
> >> inclusive environment.
> >>
> >> Vic
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, pl...@room3420.net wrote:
> >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try
> >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is
> >> >  to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." [from Ori].
> >> >  or
> >> >  "Don't be the kid who can't play [whatever]ball but wants to teach
> >> > everybody and be the team coach, just because he read a book."

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