On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Garrett D'Amore <garr...@nexenta.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 08:56 +1200, Ian Collins wrote: > > On 04/10/11 05:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: > > > I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too > many helpers/opinions are a bad thing. There is a set "core" of ZFS > developers who make a lot of this move forward, and they are the key right > now. The rest of us will just muddy the waters with conflicting/divergent > opinions on direction and goals. > > > > > In the real world we would be called customers, you know the people who > > actually use the product. > > Right. And in the real world, customers are generally not involved with > architectural discussions of products. Their input is collected and > feed into the process, but they don't get to sit at the whiteboard with > developers as the work on the designs. > > What "real world"? "Real world" of enterprise storage development, or "real world" of open-source project? It sounds to me like you want to have your cake and eat it too. > > > Developers, no matter how good, shouldn't work in a vacuum. > > Agreed, and we don't. > > Except for the secret mailing list, and the fact you've stated repeatedly the code will be behind a wall until you feel it's ready for the public to see, right? How exactly are the developers not working in a vacuum? > > > If you want to see a good example of how things should be done in the > > open, follow the caiman-discuss list. > > Caiman-discuss may be an excellent example of a model that can work, but > it might not be the best model for ZFS. There are many more contentious > issues, and more contentious personalities, and other considerations > that I don't want to get into. > > Ultimately, our model is like an IEEE working group. The members have > decided to run this list in this fashion, without any significant > dissension. > > Of course, if you don't like this, and want to start your own group, I > encourage you to do so. > > I'll also point at zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, which is monitored by a > number of the members of this cabal. That's a great way to give > feedback. > > - Garrett > > > That's mature. "If you don't like it, fork it yourself". With responses like that, I can only imagine how quickly you're going to build up steam behind your project outside of the four or so entities that have a vested interest. I've always said, the best way to build a community is by telling anyone who suggests perhaps they might be able to give feedback that they should be happy you're giving them any scraps at all (or in your case, not even that). --Tim
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