On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:14 PM, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, February 2, 2010 11:26, Richard Elling wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:49 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >> On Tue, February 2, 2010 10:21, Marc Nicholas wrote: > >>> I agree wholeheartedly....you're paying to make the problem "go away" > >>> in > >>> an > >>> expedient manner. That said, I see how much we spend on NetApp storage > >>> at > >>> work and it makes me shudder ;) > >> > >> Yes, exactly. Pricing must be about right, people wince but pay it :-). > >> If they don't wince it's too low. > > > > Business 101. > > The price will be what the market will bear. If the price seems out of > > line with your market, then perhaps you aren't in the same market. > > Yes, perhaps. Quite clearly, in this case; I'm not buying enterprise > storage myself. If the market bears it for long, then there's definitely > an actual market there; otherwise it might have been a mistake by the > company. > > I want the disk companies to come up with a set of specs for an > enterprise-grade drive that can be used in stock form in relatively simple > hardware to give good results. This concept that their enterprise-grade > drives need tweaking in the firmware and price to be useful is annoying. > Fair enough for people pushing the edges of the envelope, but most people > don't, there should be a good solid mainstream solution available. > > A Solaris-based ZFS box using SAS controllers with 5, 8, 24, and 48 drive > bay options might just about do it, if it could take a range of stock > drives officially. Kill off a big chunk of people who get forced into > enterprise storage against their will. > How exactly do you suggest the drive manufacturers make their drives "just work" with every SAS/SATA controller on the market, and all of the quirks they have? You're essentially saying you want the drive manufacturers to do what the storage vendors are doing today (all of the integration work), only not charge you for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. > Yes, my Camry is good for commuting and running across town through > unfortunately frequent stop-and-go traffic, and running down to see my > mother (about an hour) a lot more than I used to need to. It can carry 4 > very comfortably, which we only use every month or so, and it can carry > the 3-head studio lighting kit in the trunk very comfortably. > > Probably still somewhat marginal on your ranch, though better than a > Ferrari. The ground clearance is medium, and it's not mainly a > cargo-hauler. > > And how well does your Camry run when you try to replace the Toyota transmission with one manufactured by Ford? A mechanic who knows what he's doing and has fabrication skills could probably get it to work, and pretty darn well, but it isn't ever going to be the same as buying an integrated product directly from Toyota... --Tim
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