On 20 jan 2010, at 17.22, Julian Regel wrote:

> >It is actually not that easy.
> >
> >Compare a cost of 2x x4540 with 1TB disks to equivalent solution on LTO.
> >
> >Each x4540 could be configured as: 4x 11 disks in raidz-2 + 2x hot spare 
> >+ 2x OS disks.
> >The four raidz2 group form a single pool. This would provide well over 
> >30TB of logical storage per each box.
> >
> >Now you rsync all the data from your clients to a dedicated filesystem 
> >per client, then create a snapshot.
> >All snapshots are replicated to a 2nd x4540 so even if you would loose 
> >entire box/data for some reason you would still have a spare copy.
> >
> >Now compare it to a cost of a library, lto drives, tapes, software + 
> >licenses, support costs, ...
> >
> >See more details at 
> >http://milek.blogspot.com/2009/12/my-presentation-at-losug.html
> 
> I've just read your presentation Robert. Interesting stuff.
> 
> I've also just done a pen and paper exercise to see how much 30TB of tape 
> would cost as a comparison to your disk based solution.
> 
> Using list prices from Sun's website (and who pays list..?), an SL48 with 2 x 
> LTO3 drives would cost £14000. I couldn't see a price on an LTO4 equipped 
> SL48 despite the Sun website saying it's a supported option. Each LTO3 has a 
> native capacity of 300GB and the SL48 can hold up to 48 tapes in the library 
> (14.4TB native per library). To match the 30TB in your solution, we'd need 
> two libraries totalling £28000.

LTO3 has native capacity 400 GB, LTO4 has 800. The price is about the same per 
tape and per drive, a little higher for LTO4.

> You would also need 100 LTO3 tapes to provide 30TB of native storage. I 
> recently bought a pack of 20 tapes for £340, so five packs would be £1700.

Or rather 37 LTO4 tapes, and only one 48 tape library. But that doesn't matter, 
the interesting part is that one now can use whatever best solves the problem 
at hand.

> So you could provision a tape backup for just under £30000 (~$49000). In 
> comparison, the cost of one X4540 with ~ 36TB usable storage is UK list price 
> £30900. I've not factored in backup software since you could use an open 
> source solution such as Amanda or Bacula.
> 
> Which isn't to say tape would be a "better" solution since it's going to be 
> slower to restore etc. But it does show that tape can work out cheaper, 
> especially since the cost of a high speed WAN link isn't required.

Reading from tape is normally faster than reading from (a single) disk. Seek 
time of course isn't.

/ragge

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