On 4/18/07, J.P. King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can we discuss this with a few objectives ?  Like define "backup" and
> then describe mechanisms that may achieve one?  Or a really big
> question that I guess I have to ask, do we even care anymore?

</lurk>
Personally I think you would benefit from some slightly different terms.
I would differentiate between backups and archives.  Here I am trying to
move away from tape based backups.  We do backups to a disk based system.
There is no technical reason why this couldn't be done with zfs send | zfs
receive.

 Okay .. that is disk to disk or system to system. I can only assume
that you have large pipes of bandwidth ( 10 GE ) to move data around
with.

Then there are archives.  I am exceptionally fortunate that my group don't
really have to deal with these.  If I did then, despite the significant
drop in price for hard drive based storage, I'd still go for a tape based
system.  I don't know of anyway to do this usefully under zfs.

me neither.

I just finished installing Solaris 10 and ZFS at a manufacturing site
that needs fast cheap storage. Its real tough to argue with ZFS once
you see it in action. They were sold and I went ahead with a few
terabytes of storage attached to a Sun UltraSparc server.  Everyone is
happy until the question came up about "how to back it up?"

This is where a netbackup solution is being used. A Netbackup machine
mounts the various ZFS filesystems via NFS and then dumps to tape.
Nightly.

I don't believe that there are any good/useful solutions which are free
that will store both the data and all the potential meta-data in the
filesystem in a recoverable way.

I think that star ( Joerg Schilling ) has a good grasp on all the
metadata. Or do you mean the underlying structure that allows you to
restore to bare metal or bare disks ?

Dennis
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