Hi all, Preliminary content here: https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask Please feel free to improve, and paste the link in launchpad whenever it applies. Cheers Bruno
On 29 June 2018 at 16:24, Bruno Chareyre <[email protected]> wrote: > I did not mention it explicitly but I think improving "How to ask" > includes explaining "how to" avoid extra files in typical cases. > Otherwise it would just discourage people from asking. > > I tried to address one possible situation in [1] (avoid saving simulation > in one script then reloading in another) and this can be linked in the page. > For files with coordinates and radii I think the fix is to replace by > makeCloud or hardcode (a limited number of) positions in the script. > The same works for clump members. > > To summarize: > * reloading scenes in multi-script context -> can be avoided with [1] > * position files -> makeCloud(seed=..) or hardcode > * clumps -> same as above > * stl mesh -> solutionless (really?) > > Do you see other situations? Other kind of solutions? > > B > > [1] https://github.com/yade/trunk/blob/master/examples/simple- > scene/save-then-reload.py > > > > On 06/29/2018 03:02 PM, Jan Stránský wrote: > > I agree too, > > I would add a note that the problem might be solved by the process of > creating MWE.. > > > Jan is probably too kind for that ;-) > > well, it annoys me more and more, too, so I will at least answer with > delay :-) > > cheers > Jan > > > 2018-06-29 14:09 GMT+02:00 Jerome Duriez <[email protected]>: > >> Hi all, >> >> I agree Bruno with your description of the annoying extra efforts that >> are required to try to help with such questions. As far as I am concerned, >> I do not try downloading things and help in these cases... >> >> My first suggestion would be to further push users to propose (for real >> !!!) minimal working examples, but I think the only efficient way to do >> this would be not answering many of the questions and Jan is probably too >> kind for that ;-) >> >> Anyway, I think myself it sounds realistic to ask users to avoid extra >> files in their MWE, and do not have any other suggestions.. >> >> >> Jérôme >> >> ------ >> Chargé de Recherche / Research Associate >> Irstea, RECOVER >> 3275 route de Cezanne – CS 40061 13182 Aix-en-Provence Cedex 5 FRANCE >> +33 (0)4 42 66 99 21 >> >> On 29/06/2018 12:33, Bruno Chareyre wrote: >> >> Hi Yade devs, >> When I try to save a few minutes to answer some questions I very ofen >> find myself clicking here and there to access a pastebin file which is >> needed for a given script to run. The [pastebin|whateve|...] file can't >> downloaded directly in many cases. I then have to copy - which can imply >> substantial scrooling, paste, save in the right place, go back to terminal, >> run. >> And sometimes it is just to find that the script itself will not run, >> even with the proper data file. >> >> If you want to see this cycle in action you can have a look at [1] where >> four posts more or less are just to sort out the data files, implying than >> Jan had to repeatedly reproduce the cycle mentioned above. Worth >> mentioning, post #11 introduces additional links for the same filenames >> (same content? who knows?), so it is absolutely unclear now what someone is >> supposed to download to simply test a script and help someone else. >> >> I was thinking that we could go deeper in the MWE part of >> https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask, to push questionners toward >> self-contained scripts. >> An issue is that even among the devs I see this tendency to manipulate >> data files. >> There are a few cases where it can't be avoided, like stl mesh. But in >> most cases I think a data file is not needed MWE, specifically for sphere >> positions and clump data (which are just positions). >> What do you think? Does it sound realistic to ask users to avoid extra >> files in MWEs? >> >> We could even provide a way to make sure that no "file not found" will >> occur. For instance, every mwe.py should be compatible with: >> mkdir MWE >> cp mwe.py ./MWE/mweTest.py >> cd MWE >> /path/to/yade mweTest.py >> rm -rf ../MWE >> >> Other suggestions? >> >> Bruno >> >> [1] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/670501 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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