Hi,

I will see what i will find out.
though i guess i might connect a screen during install and maybe after that it might remember those settings.
greetings,
simon

Am 12.03.2017 um 19:20 schrieb Eric Gunther:
On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 23:20 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
Hi Eric,

This is basically just a normal desktop pc.
it is headless because it has no screen.
a keyboard is connected though.

on the arch wiki i read that this is a problem with auto configuring
the
screen.
the server can't find a screen on all graphics adapters so it seems
to hang.
but yeah we will see.
Maybe someone else can chime in here.


but i might call a gnome mailing list.
maybe someone there has an idea what to do.

greetings,
Simon

Am 11.03.2017 um 22:23 schrieb Eric Gunther:
On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
Hi Eric,

I understood before as well.
I tested Fedora, Ubuntu Gnome, OpenSUSE, Paldo, Debian Testing,
Manjaro
and some more i can't remember at the moment.

Though i don't understand why the system should stop booting
without
a
screen connected. Because a half booted machine doesn't make
sense.

Screen auto detection isn't a bad thing but not booting is as
well.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 11.03.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Eric Gunther:
On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 19:11 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
Hi Eric and all,

I guess we need to get that implemented into the server
itself.
Because contacting all the distros might be to difficult.
that
might
be
a workaround but i think we need to get that fixed.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 11.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Eric Gunther:
On Fri, 2017-03-10 at 20:52 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
Hi all,

I am a blind person from austria.
I am using the computer often without a screen.
I figured out on many distros there are issues with the
desktop
without
a screen.
Seems the desktop isn't coming up when no screen is
connected?
I read in the arch wiki that this is caused by the screen
auto
config
function of the server.
can that be worked around?
I wanted to install a system on a machine but the live
dvd
seems
not
to
come up because of this.
Is there something i can specify at boot? for example
some
parameters
i
can enter at the boot menu?


For people using no screen this is pretty frustrating.

greetings and thanks for helping,
Simon

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As a somewhat amature user of X, I spent some time last
night
looking
at info on this.  I think you want a 'headless' setup.
 Although in
your case I am not sure this is appropriate.  Often people
will
login
to a machine like this over the internet via ssh.  So you
need
another
computer to login to the 'headless' one.

What I found is that you probably have to modify xorg.conf
or
10
-monitor.conf in the /etc/X11/ and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
directories
respectively.  This does not seem like a good soultion,
particularly in
the case of a liveDVD.

I think the best solution would be to email a maintainer of
the
liveDVD
or support for the distribution that your trying to use,
whether it
be
 forum, mailing list, or irc(chat).



Have a good day,

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Hi Simon,


I think you may have misunderstood.  The proper (As far as I
know)
way
to set up when having dificulties is with the configuration
files.
 As
far as contacting all the distros, I was going to ask;  which
liveDVD
are you trying to run?  In any event I was saying that you
should
probably talk to the maintainer/support/community of that*
distro.
 Also I think it is unlikely, but probably not impossible, to
issue
parameters at boot that will assist you.

Greetings,

Eric Gunther
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Hi Simon,

I am a desktop opensuse user and I believe they have a very
supportive
community, I'm not involved but that has been my impression.

a quick search led me here:
https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-11/msg00383.html

which I think is related.

furthermore this may help:

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels

Honestly, I think its a bit quirky that a system wont work without
a
monitor but I have to point out initially you said that it would
not
get to the desktop.  So it is booting fine presumably.  The command
line interface is usefull for many tasks.

Since you mention screen auto detection, I have seen mention of
saving
a file with EDID info in it.

another quick search and take this for example:

 http://kodi.wiki/view/Creating_and_using_edid.bin_via_xorg.conf

All of this though requires some sort of configuration, either from
the
command line or from a text editor ( I think ).  As I mentioned
before
the common case is that people will login to a headless machine via
ssh.  This can come with additional difficulties.


"half a booted machine doesn't make sense"

Thing is that your computer is telling you the same thing.

"that might be a workaround but i think we need to get that fixed."

You may have some luck at this mailing list or other xorg mailing
lists
as well, I really don't know.  From my end though, this is not
something I am capable of.

here may help:

https://www.x.org/wiki/XorgMailingLists/


good luck and,

Have a good day,

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Hi Simon,


That is what I understand.  I think getting the monitor info is what is
making the computer not work, yes.  I did look at the kernel boot
parameters somewhat and I know that "nomodeset" is a commonly used one
for monitor/display issues.

Also, just a thought, this may help
"The purpose of BLINUX project is to improve usability of the LINUX
operating system for the user who is blind"

http://www.leb.net/blinux/


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