Sure, there are still people who like to torture themselves with unmanaged code.
Ask me if I care. :-) Seriously, .NET 2.0 is only 23 mb and it is ( or a higher version ) already baselined as part of Vista and Server 2008. It's trivial to get it on XP and I wish Microsoft would have just included it with an OS service pack already. Managed code is the present and the future. The functionality and value it provides is so powerful that I just can't imagine settling for API's that are over 10 years old just to refuse to take a dependency on it. That might be the way of the Excel team but it's not the way I roll or most of the shops I know in Austin. The companies that I've heard from that do think this way are working on such legacy products that I can't even understand how they even still have a place in the market. <sarcasm/> Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves attention? E-Mail Me --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Christopher Karper <christopher.kar...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Christopher Karper <christopher.kar...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog Development > To: chr...@deploymentengineering.com, "General discussion for Windows > Installer XML toolset." <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:50 AM > I didn't think there was going to be a guaranteed > dependency on the > framework. Won't VS2010 still be able to build native > code applications? > > Chris > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Christopher Painter < > chr...@deploymentengineering.com> wrote: > > > Personally, I'd rather see a full blown extensible > external UI handler > > pattern using Winforms and/or WPF. Think about > it... if WiX is being > > bundled in VS2010 and you already have a dependency on > the framework, why > > would you be wanting to poke around in WiX XML to make > a 10 year old API try > > to do a decent UI when you can just hand it over to > .NET instead. > > > > Which do you think will look better and be easier to > implement? > > > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering > Blog > > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good > thread that deserves > > attention? E-Mail Me > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Tim Musschoot > <tim.mussch...@telenet.be> wrote: > > > > > From: Tim Musschoot > <tim.mussch...@telenet.be> > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog > Development > > > To: "General discussion for Windows > Installer XML toolset." < > > wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:28 AM > > > Hello, > > > > > > There are tools that are build upon Wix. > > > > > > - WixAware > > > - MSI Factory (Indigo Rose) > > > > > > They have a buildin dialog designer (one more > mature then > > > the other). They offer the possibility to start > very > > > quickly with a base setup. For advance things you > can always > > > edit the .wxs files directly. Most advanced Wix > users can > > > do things as fast in text-edit mode as they can > with wizard > > > support. But I agree, to start fluently with > Wix, a lot > > > more work needs to be done. Let's hope > VS2010 will get > > > things better... > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Tim > > > > > > >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > > > >Van > > > : Arun Perregatturv > > > [mailto:aperregatt...@napcosecurity.com] > > > >Verzonden > > > : donderdag > > > , februari > > > 12, 2009 03:01 PM > > > >Aan > > > : 'General discussion for Windows Installer > XML > > > toolset.' > > > >Onderwerp > > > : Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog Development > > > > > > > >No. If you open an Msi in Orca you have the > tables on > > > the left and details on the right. > > > >Same way, if you open a Wxs file, list all > the > > > Directory, Components, ComponentGroups,on the > left. > > > >So I click on Components it will list all the > > > components on the right and selecting individual > component > > > will list all the Files and selecting a file > properties will > > > list all the properties available to File. > > > > > > > >If you take a look at ISTool > http://www.istool.org for > > > InnoSetup its very simple interface and will > allow you to > > > write scripting and add files visually. > > > > > > > >Something like this for Wix would make it > easier and > > > more people will adopt to it. > > > >For example, if I have to create a small > installer in > > > Inno it takes 10 minutes or less to add files set > the > > > properties(all visually) and create a executable. > But If I > > > choose Wix it will take more than 10 minutes for > me to > > > create a msi not executable. Having a Visual tool > to create > > > setup will definitely make more people to use Wix > toolset > > > and create installers faster and on the other > hand you can > > > still go back to code and modify it. > > > > > > > >The reason for comparison is to give an idea > of how > > > easier or how Wix can be used by more people with > less > > > learning curve. > > > >I know there are lot of Wix Utilities > available but > > > most of them open one wix file instead of the Wix > Project. I > > > tried the SharpDevelop it opens Wixs Project and > looks good. > > > > > > > >Arun Perregattur > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Neil Sleightholm > [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:31 PM > > > >To: General discussion for Windows Installer > XML > > > toolset. > > > >Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog > Development > > > > > > > >>> something like Orca look and feel > > > > > > > >Really, what that bad :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Arun Perregatturv > > > [mailto:aperregatt...@napcosecurity.com] > > > >Sent: 11 February 2009 21:51 > > > >To: General discussion for Windows Installer > XML > > > toolset. > > > >Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog > Development > > > > > > > >I would like to vote for this feature. if > needed I can > > > help in > > > >developing. > > > > > > > >VS Plugin something like Orca look and feel. > > > > > > > > > > > >Arun Perregattur > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: eseeR [mailto:0x000...@gmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:49 PM > > > >To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog > Development > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, I tried that out a little but > it's sort of > > > clunky. What would be > > > >awesome is a plugin for VS that let's you > author > > > the dialog like > > > >WinForms. > > > >Anyone working on something like that? > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Neil > Sleightholm (via > > > Nabble) < > > > > >ml-user+58265-1177156...@n2.nabble.com<ml-user%2b58265-1177156...@n2.nabble.com> > > <ml-user%2b58265-1177156...@n2.nab > > > >ble.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I use WiXEdit: > http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/ > > > >> > > > >> Neil > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: eseeR > > > >[mailto:0x000...@...< > > > http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&n > > > >ode=2310507&i=0>] > > > >> > > > >> Sent: 11 February 2009 18:23 > > > >> To: > > > >wix-us...@...< > > > http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=231 > > > >0507&i=1> > > > >> Subject: [WiX-users] Visual Dialog > Development > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hello, is there any guidance/tools on > how to > > > author dialogs with a > > > >> visual > > > >> interface? > > > >> -- > > > >> View this message in context: > > > >> > > > > http://n2.nabble.com/Visual-Dialog-Development-tp2310386p2310386.html > > > >> Sent from the wix-users mailing list > archive at > > > Nabble.com. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> ------ > > > >> Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps > outside the > > > browser with > > > >> Adobe(R)AIR(TM) > > > >> software. 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