i have a little experience with groups and group dynamics. Seems like most group members are mainly inactive, dropping in and out of participation, mostly out. I'm advertising myself as one who participates more often than average. I'm in San Francisco, outer Richmond. I'd make efforts to attend some kind of inter-working project with willingness to chip in maintenance time and a little money. Anyone interested in doing in addition to talking? jim


On Friday, Dec 31, 2004, at 15:40 US/Pacific, Joshua Marker wrote:


On Dec 29, 2004, at 18:15, Aaron Baer wrote:

there was a
big push for group consolidation that I saw go through this (BAWUG) list
for the Bay Area,

Which sank without a ripple. The technical meeting was mostly a tail-sniffing/bragging session (fine people, but little said), and the only discussions of real inter-working served to demonstrate a lot of cattiness and the kind of stonewalling that will serve to pith future cooperation like a butterfly in a jar. So far, most requests for info about technical organization and planning ideas about the bigger networks in town have been met with dead silence, over and over. There was some discussion of creating a weekly or biweekly hack night, of which one specimen has occurred. I don't think many people made it because it was announced late in the day, but I had hopes for that. Haven't heard from anyone if it came off/etc.
Not to be negative, or anything. Just saying, look further up the coast for evidence of a living, growing community network.


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