Trigger warning: sensible suggestions, I know those can be upsetting Might a friendly email to the museum have helped, just explaining the issue and suggesting a solution?
On 28 Jul 2017 14:32, "Fæ" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. Just to be clear, this absolutely is a > classic example of copyfraud. To say "I see no evidence of copyfraud > by the BM" is precisely correct, however this is still copyfraud. It's > an example that is very handy for Wikimedia Commons to use to > illustrate its own policies with regard to deletions and allowed > photographs where there are false claims of copyright being made. > Certainly I would be extremely concerned if the Wikimedia Foundation > were in any way funding events or projects in partnership with a GLAM > institution that continues to propagate copyfraud, rather than taking > positive action to stamp it out. > > We can see by simply looking at the photographs that copyfraud is > being committed by the Tullie House Museum, as they give members of > the public tickets for the exhibition, and are fully responsible for > the exhibition itself. I agree it is not clear yet whether the British > Museum have specifically required the Tullie House Museum to use this > particular sign and text. That would be a great question to get > answered. > > I find it highly unlikely that the THM have used a notice that was not > agreed with the BM, in just the same way as the text of the related > labels and posters would be agreed. Despite the same exhibition having > many other artefacts from different museums across Europe and several > objects on loan from personal collections, I could not see any other > signs of this type against anything other than objects on loan from > the BM. > > Thanks, > Fae > > On 28 July 2017 at 14:14, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: > > While the text on the labels is obviously wrong, I see no evidence of > > copyfraud by the BM. > > > > The labels are most likely placed by the Tullie House Museum in a > (confused) > > effort to comply with a contractual term of the loan, under which the > > receiving museum must not allow photography. > > > > Such terms are pretty common where works are sent out on loan, sometimes > to > > protect delicate artworks from flash. Here of course there is no need for > > such protection. > > > > A quiet word with > > Tullie House Museum would seem the best way forward, first to see whether > > they are indeed required by the BM to prohibit photography, and second to > > explain that any such restriction has nothing to do with copyright and > > should not be expressed as such. Enquiry and education, not shaming. > > > > Michael > > > > On 28 Jul 2017, at 13:11, Richard Nevell <[email protected]. > uk> > > wrote: > > > > Attempting to embarrass the British Museum is misguided and certainly > would > > not build bridges for future collaboration. > > > > On 28 Jul 2017 13:03, "Fæ" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> The Tullie House Museum in Carlisle has a number of objects on loan > >> from the British Museum,[3] and it appears that it is only those > >> objects that have any restrictions on photography. I took photographs > >> of two of these (without any flash), as the restrictions are > >> shockingly obvious cases of copyfraud, and not for any reason that > >> might protect the works from damage.[1][2] It seems incomprehensible > >> as to why the British Museum would ever want to make copyright claims > >> over ~2,000 year old works especially considering they are not a > >> money-making commercial enterprise, but a National institute and > >> charity, with a stated objective[4] that "the collection should be put > >> to public use and be freely accessible". > >> > >> Does anyone have any ideas for action, or contacts in the Museum, that > >> might result in a change of how loans from the BM are controlled? I'm > >> wondering if the most effective way forward is to make some social > >> media fuss, to ensure the Trustees of the museum pay attention. The > >> reputational risk the apparent ignorance over copyright by the BM > >> loans management team seems something that would be easy to correct, > >> so changes to policy are overdue. My own experience of polite private > >> letters to a Museum's lawyer demonstrates that you may as well save > >> hours of volunteer time by filing these in the bin, compared to the > >> sometimes highly effective use of a few pointed tweets written in a > >> few minutes and shared publicly and widely across social media. > >> > >> Those of us Wikimedians who work closely with GLAMs tend to shy away > >> from any controversy, wanting the organizations to move towards > >> sharing our open knowledge goals for positive reasons. I'm happy to > >> try those types of collegiate ways of partnering, however drawing a > >> few lines in the sand by highlighting embarrassing case studies, might > >> mean we make timely progress while activist dinosaurs like me are > >> still alive to see it happen. > >> > >> Links > >> 1. > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_2nd_ > century_bronze_jug,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg > >> 2. > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_ > Fortuna_statue,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg > >> 3. Tullie House, Roman Frontier exhibition: > >> > >> http://web.archive.org/web/20161030151228/www. > tulliehouse.co.uk/galleries-collections/galleries/roman-frontier-gallery > >> 4. British Museum "about us": > >> > >> http://web.archive.org/web/20170714042800/www. > britishmuseum.org/about_us/management/about_us.aspx > >> 5. Commons village pump discussion: > >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump# > British_Museum_and_blatant_copyfraud > >> > >> Contacts > >> * https://twitter.com/britishmuseum > >> * https://twitter.com/TullieHouse > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Fae > >> -- > >> [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > -- > [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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