The longest lists ended up saying there were too many templates to transclude properly. It makes dealing with Grade II lists problematic as Michael says. Part of the issue is the WLM templates we were using are complicated because there were lots of 'if ' parameters.
Doug, we might need some help on the Lua aspect of templates. On 12 October 2013 17:38, rexx <[email protected]> wrote: > Your memory serves you badly, Michael. MediaWiki imposes no such limit on > templates; The Wikipedia article Israel ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) has 452 reference templates, for > example. MediaWiki does impose a limit on the depth of transclusions and > the number of expensive parser functions, but those restrictions are > unimportant now that we can call a Lua module from within a template to do > the same job with much less stress on the server. > > "List of rivers of England" ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_of_England) is an example of > how about 1500 geographical entries have been organised, so sheer numbers > don't necessarily present a barrier to creating wiki articles. As querying > Wikidata is not possible at present (and we don't have a date for its > implementation), I wouldn't recommend waiting for that before starting work > on the Grade II buildings. > > -- > Doug > > > > On 12 October 2013 16:13, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, we have all the grade II data for England and the corresponding data >> for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, too. However, getting that >> information onto Wikipedia in a usable format is not trivial are there are >> getting on for half a million building records. >> >> Automated linkages between Wikipedia and the Monuments Database rely on >> each record being represented by a template in Wikipedia, and unfortunately >> MediaWiki limits the number of templates to no more than 130 or so (if my >> memory serves) per page. That means breaking the records up into such >> small lists that navigation becomes a nightmare. Even for the grade II* >> buildings we have some areas that have been split into separate pages of >> buildings based on name A-M and name N-Z. Such lists are totally hopeless >> for users who need to find a particular building and know neither the name >> it happens to have been give in the official listing nor even in which >> listing area it appears (these are based largely on obsolete county and >> other regional boundaries). >> >> So, yes, it would be good to get these on, but some new approaches will >> be needed. Wikidata may well be able to help in the future (eg by >> providing a searchable Wiki database which is automatically linked with the >> various sources of official data). >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> On 12 Oct 2013, at 15:40, Maarten Dammers wrote: >> >> > Hi Rod, >> > >> > Op 11-10-2013 13:05, rodward schreef: >> >> Andy, >> >> >> >> Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most >> counties/areas don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using the >> template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for current >> template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could include a >> request for the data & then the same semi automated development processes >> applied to creating the lists (would make it much easier if GII are >> included next year). >> > I believe we have the data, just haven't imported it yet to Wikipedia >> because grade2 buildings weren't included in Wiki Loves Monuments this >> year. Now that Wiki Loves Monuments is over we could start importing the >> remaining lists to Wikipedia. If lists get to big you just have to split >> them up. This is how we did it in the Netherlands too. For example the city >> I'm from (Haarlem) has over 1100 Rijksmonumenten. In the centre of the city >> this is so dense that I ended up with several lists per street. All these >> individual lists are for Haarlem are connected through a navigation >> template so you don't get lost. >> > >> > Maarten >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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