My apologise - this got mixed up in the spam and didn't get through till today...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 9 September 2013 14:41, Stevie Benton <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A quick update on this. I've uploaded another new version to the link > shared previously. There is some further updated copy, including content on > freedom of panorama. I have also managed to fix the font issue - the > ligatures have now been removed. > > I'd like to get this to print soon so if I could have any further feedback > by the end of Wednesday that would be great. I can then run off a final > proof before sending to the printer. > > Thanks and regards, > > Stevie > > > On 5 September 2013 15:32, Stevie Benton > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello again everyone. >> >> I've spent a little time updating the document based on the feedback I've >> been offered. There a new (draft) version at >> https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wp_Commons_SHIP_12pp_September_UK.pdf >> (thanks >> for that suggestion Mike!) but please note this is still a work in progress >> and not ready for use. >> >> A couple of things I need to address specifically: >> >> - Font issue - I am still experiencing this then the letter t follows >> s or c. It's very odd. If anyone knows why this happens, or how I can >> perhaps fix it without having to change the entire font set in the >> document >> I'd be very grateful! >> - Mike, your point about the bullets on p3 is noted. The issue is to >> do with the image wrapping. I'll try and fix this for the final draft if >> people think this is a major issue. >> - Missing bracket by the media icon on page 6 - this was to do with >> the replacement fonts. The icon hasn't actually been inserted as an image >> for some reason - no idea why, but this makes it nearly impossible to >> move. >> I've come up with a work-around. >> - Public domain text on p11 - I've amended this to make it more >> relevant for the UK but I'm no copyright expert so I'd be grateful if >> someone can sense check it please. >> - Freedom of panorama - Martin suggested we have some text about this >> for p3 If someone could oblige with a single snappy sentence that would be >> very helpful indeed. >> - Version number, contact details and URL - these have been added >> (although the URL is simply a placeholder at this point). >> >> Mike, you asked about the lifespan of the document before it needs >> refreshing, pointing out the screenshots with the number of files etc are >> out of date. I think the document is fundamentally sound (with a couple of >> amends noted above, before a final proof) but it would make sense to review >> it very few months (or when the time arrives to re-order) to make sure >> there are no major problems. Those figures will always be out of date, no >> matter how speedy the turnaround ;-) >> >> Please do let me know what you think and I'll prepare the next draft. >> Thank you, >> >> Stevie >> >> >> >> >> >> On 30 August 2013 12:38, Stevie Benton <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the feedback everyone. Very useful. I'll do some more work on >>> the InDesign file and share an updated draft next week. >>> >>> Mike, I think the font issue is because I'm using replacement fonts in >>> InDesign as I don't have the same set as the WMF. I'll take a closer look >>> but will probably involve changing the replacement font. Shouldn't be too >>> difficult. Your suggested amends to the copy look sensible too, I'll work >>> through them. >>> >>> Martin, the idea of a version number and a URL is useful. I'll add those >>> in. I'll also check out the labelling issue, too. >>> >>> Stevie >>> >>> >>> On 29 August 2013 11:08, Martin Poulter <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your work on this, Stevie. I think this is an exciting >>>> development. >>>> I agree with you that it's okay to have two or three pages with a >>>> non-white background, so long as the bulk of the document has a white >>>> background. >>>> >>>> When I look at the top of page 7, under the heading "Placing files >>>> using wikicode" the code in the example is the wrong font size (viewed in >>>> Chrome, which might not be rendering the font correctly). Thus the two >>>> closing square brackets are not under the label "two closing square >>>> brackets". >>>> One page 3, under "what is allowed on Commons", this is where we need >>>> some mention of the UK position on freedom of panorama, but this is an area >>>> I'm relatively clueless in, so someone more clueful should chime in. >>>> On page 11, the link "Help:Public domain" is in a smaller font than the >>>> surrounding text. >>>> >>>> It's a good idea to have a version number in any printed document, e.g. >>>> "UK version 1.0, published September 2013", along with a URL of the >>>> electronic version, so that people who get a paper copy can 1) verify that >>>> the version they have is current, and 2) send the document to their >>>> colleagues. I've been nagging Foundation staff to do this too. I wish just >>>> sending electronic versions were enough in itself, but in my experience >>>> it's vastly more likely to be read if you target people and hand them a >>>> paper copy, and once they're enthusiastic they will recommend the link in >>>> their workplace or their professional networks. >>>> >>>> There will be changes over time, but these will be relatively minor. It >>>> doesn't matter that there are small changes to the Commons home page or WP >>>> interface, so long as the instructions given by the booklet ("click on the >>>> button in the top right") are still valid. >>>> Thanks again for your work on this! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 August 2013 21:34, Michael Peel <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> (re-sending in case I'm still having problems with my mikepeel.netaddress >>>>> - apologies if this comes through twice!) >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Aug 2013, at 21:31, Michael Peel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Hi Stevie, >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for sharing the draft. It's better to upload large files like >>>>> this to the wiki and then link to them, rather than sending around large >>>>> files by email, though. Here's some suggestions for >>>>> improvement/corrections: >>>>> > >>>>> > I think there's a font issue either with the PDF or your computer - >>>>> some of the t's are appearing very oddly, with a little loop going from >>>>> the >>>>> top of the t back over the previous letter. E.g. see the text on page 8 >>>>> where the issue is particularly clear. Let me know if you can't reproduce >>>>> this, and I'll send you a screenshot. >>>>> > >>>>> > Page 2 - "media from Commons is used by", that should be "media from >>>>> Commons are used by" as 'media' is plural in this situation. (I've pointed >>>>> this out on the file talk page for the original as it's a mistake in that >>>>> version.) >>>>> > >>>>> > Page 3 - you might want to tidy the indentation on the text there. >>>>> E.g. under 'What is allowed', the first bullet point should be at the same >>>>> level as the next two, and under 'What is not allowed' the last line of >>>>> the >>>>> intro paragraph should be indented at the same level as the rest of the >>>>> paragraph. Similarly, in the sidebar on page 10 could do with some tidying >>>>> as the x's appear on the second line in some cases. These are probably due >>>>> to differences in software versions or settings as they look OK in the >>>>> original version. >>>>> > >>>>> > Page 6 - there seems to be a closing bracket missing after the media >>>>> symbol in point (1) - as per the last, as it looks OK in the original >>>>> version. >>>>> > >>>>> > Page 7 - "for putting images in" makes me cringe. :-/ "for adding >>>>> images to a wiki page" would be much better. >>>>> > >>>>> > Page 10 needs some clarifying, as it says "The Wikimedia Commons >>>>> default is the Creative Commons Attribution- ShareAlike licence (CC >>>>> BY-SA), >>>>> which says that ..." - technically, the description it gives after that is >>>>> a human-readable summary rather than what the license says, so this needs >>>>> a >>>>> bit of rewording to something like 'which explains that' or 'which sets >>>>> out >>>>> that'. (Again, I've pointed this out on the file talk page for the >>>>> original >>>>> as it's a mistake in that version.) >>>>> > >>>>> > The "Is it public domain?" section on page 11 could do with some >>>>> localisation, as right now it's all US-focused rather than relating to the >>>>> UK. I'd suggest making it clear that the UK is life+70 years, and perhaps >>>>> also mention the Open Government License? >>>>> > >>>>> > The back page should probably have WMUK's details and contact >>>>> information included on it (potentially including the charity and company >>>>> number), rather than just the WMUK logo and a general description. Also, >>>>> there's some spelling mistakes: "colelct", "hiostoric". (I'm also fairly >>>>> sure that 'Wikimedia Foundation' should always be preceded by 'the', but >>>>> I've never figured out why Americans seem to consistently do this >>>>> incorrectly...) >>>>> > >>>>> > Hope this helps. :-) >>>>> > >>>>> > BTW, do you have an expected lifetime for the booklet before it >>>>> needs refreshing? I guess things like the visual editor screenshots will >>>>> age reasonably quickly, and things like the screenshots are already out of >>>>> date (particularly those of the Commons homepage that quote the number of >>>>> Commons files as 17,735,052 and 17,801,932, as it's already over 18.1 >>>>> million now ;-) ). >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > Mike >>>>> > >>>>> > On 22 Aug 2013, at 14:34, Stevie Benton < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Hello again everyone, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I've managed to get the InDesign files and have been doing a little >>>>> work on the brochure. There's now a draft localised version for the UK. >>>>> This is attached. I really like it but wonder what others think? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Andy, I take on board your suggestion about removing the grey >>>>> background in places but I actually think it adds quite a lot to the >>>>> design >>>>> so I've kept it. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> With regards to freedom of panorama, as mentioned before I know >>>>> nothing about this so if anyone can take a look at the copy and suggest >>>>> any >>>>> appropriate changes I'll take care of it. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hope you like the booklet! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Stevie >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 14 August 2013 16:37, Martin Poulter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> Why produce a paper brochure? Because of immediacy, e.g. in >>>>> training sessions it's more convenient for people to have something in >>>>> front of them to step through rather than opening yet another browser tab. >>>>> If we want to get our message through to staff in content projects and >>>>> GLAMs, immediacy may well make the difference when they are being >>>>> bombarded >>>>> with recommended links or contacts. Good point about ink though. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 14 August 2013 15:53, Andy Mabbett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 7 August 2013 15:37, Daria Cybulska < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> A new brochure about Wikimedia Commons has been produced. Designed >>>>> to be a companion brochure to the Welcome to Wikipedia brochure, it covers >>>>> what Commons is, how to upload files, how to use files, and the basics of >>>>> free licenses - >>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Illustrating_Wikipedia_brochure.pdf >>>>> >> >>>>> >> We would like to have a version printed in the UK as well. What are >>>>> your thoughts on the content? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The grey background of some pages will burn up ink if people print >>>>> their own copies; white would be better. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> There is a lack of continuity in referring to uploading "images" >>>>> vs. "media" - at one point, it says "You can also upload audio", but >>>>> doesn't mention video >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It is misleading on freedom of panorama. It says you can upload >>>>> pictures of "old" buildings, if they're "in the public domain". (It may be >>>>> wise to mention the difference between FoP in the UK, and in countries >>>>> where the law is less liberal on the matter.) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Environmentally speaking, why produce a paper brochure? Why not put >>>>> the material online, and hand out business (size) cards with a URL and QR >>>>> code? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Otherwise, a good initiative. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Andy Mabbett >>>>> >> @pigsonthewing >>>>> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Dr Martin L Poulter >>>>> >> Jisc Wikimedia Ambassador, July 2013 - March 2014 >>>>> >> Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter >>>>> >> Volunteer, Wikimedia UK >>>>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MartinPoulter >>>>> >> Musician >>>>> http://soundcloud.com/martin-poulter >>>>> >> http://myspace.com/comapilot >>>>> >> Person http://infobomb.org/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Stevie Benton >>>>> >> Communications Organiser >>>>> >> Wikimedia UK >>>>> >> +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 >>>>> >> @StevieBenton >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in >>>>> England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 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