Thanks Benoit, I'm so happy to see the Editing Team and the WMF are working on this! I think it will be another great success, just like the talk pages project. Keep up the good work !!
El sáb., 9 de mar. de 2024 9:43 a. m., Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < [email protected]> escribió: > Hello, > When I was born, I didn't know how to speak or walk. When I started in the > school, I didn't know how to multiply 2x2. When I started in the > University, I didn't know how to research a topic within academy standards. > When I first drove a car in the driving school, I didn't know how to drive > properly. In everyone of these learning steps, I had someone helping me: my > parents, my teachers, my professors, my driving-teacher(?). When I started > writing in Wikipedia, I didn't know what a template was, how to make a > redirect, what to link or not and how to properly add a reference. Instead > of just deleting things, we (the community) should help newbies. You can > learn with a text written inside a box or whatever, but way better is if we > help them, take what they did and correct it and let them improve. Could > the editing platform be better designed? For sure. But we are a community. > It is in our hands to be rude with the newbies or welcoming. I try to chose > the second one. > > Best, > > Galder > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gnangarra <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:18 PM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>; Wikimedia > Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Mopping with the tap open > > could there be message box that asks a simple question like "thank you for > the contribution, where did you get this information from?" with a text > field, it just adds it to the edit description. so something is captured in > the edit history. > > On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 10:25, effe iets anders <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks Benoit, > This sounds like a good step in the right direction. We'll need to try out > several of these approaches, but also improve our own documentation on > nl.wikipedia. My impression is that it is currently far too hard to add a > reference, to expect that this is done by most new contributors. > > Do we know more about: > * How many new contributors know they should add a reference, e.g. when > writing a new article > * If they know that they should add a reference, how many know how to > recognize a good reference from a poor one > * How many new contributors, if they know that they should add a > reference, can figure out how to actually make this happen (assuming they > know the url already) > * Assuming that they can find the reference button, and know their URL, in > how many cases does the auto-convert feature work? (we could test this by > taking a random sample of reference URLs, and entering them in the > reference insertion tool) > > These are not just technical problems - some of them are more about > awareness (we can focus for example a little less on copyright, and more on > other quality aspects) or good documentation (how to recognize a good > source?). I also suspect that these numbers might vary quite a bit across > communities/countries. > > In my personal experience, it is hard to add references to articles even > if all the 'social' steps work smoothly (they often dont!). Maybe my sample > is biased, but it feels like I get much more often an error in nlwiki when > I try to convert a url to a citation, than in enwiki. Does anyone know if > this is indeed the case? Is anyone tracking statistics on this? > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:03 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello > > Some wikis have added the requirement to add citations at the edit summary > step. But it is clearly too late in the process, as users just want to > publish. Some users will add citations as a second step, but it might be > too late, as the edit has a great chance of being reverted meanwhile. > > You might be interested in the Editing team's current project, Edit check < > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Edit_check>. > > This project aims to provide in-context help by checking on the edit. The > first iteration is "Reference Check": if a user adds a paragraph with zero > source, they are encouraged to add one. We are currently testing it at 22 > Wikipedias, to verify if the prompt to add citations is not blocking users. > > You can test it at your wiki using an URL parameter: > 1. Edit any article in the main namespace using the VisualEditor. > 2. Add &ecenable=1 to the URL in your browser. -- For example in Dutch, as > Romaine started the thread: > https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zon&veaction=edit&ecenable=1 > 3. Reload the page with the new URL. > 4. Create a new paragraph, that is at least 50 characters long without > adding a citation > 5. Press the Publish… Notice the prompt that appears > 6. Test is completed, don't save your edit unless you know what you are > doing. > > All edits are tagged, so that you can find them in Recent Changes or in > your Watchlist. If a user selects "no" after the prompt, they have to > select a reason why. That reason is tagged as well, easing experienced > users' work on patrolling and improving these edits. > > We will soon add a message if the added citation is listed on > MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or MediaWiki:BlockedExternalDomains.json. > > As Edit Check only checks the first paragraph added, the next iteration > will be to add multi-Reference checks. We are currently working on the > design for multi-checks. > > Of course, Edit Check is not limited to adding citations. We can imagine > other ways to close the tap. Your suggestions are welcomed, as are your > questions. > > Thank you, > -- > Benoît Evellin - Trizek_(WMF) (he/him) > Community Relations Specialist > Wikimedia Foundation > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RWQIXLQEBNC62THG5J4TY7OCHCKRAPUF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/Z4Q5NQEEOM4SACUUIBKQRSMM3EVG6WMV/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > Boodarwun > Gnangarra > 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardon nlangan Nyungar koortabodjar' > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/NDGP3UJGISAE75URQK3ONDTAT64S7NSS/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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