could there be message box that asks a simple question like "thank you for the contribution, where did you get this information from?" with a text field, it just adds it to the edit description. so something is captured in the edit history.
On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 10:25, effe iets anders <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Benoit, > This sounds like a good step in the right direction. We'll need to try out > several of these approaches, but also improve our own documentation on > nl.wikipedia. My impression is that it is currently far too hard to add a > reference, to expect that this is done by most new contributors. > > Do we know more about: > * How many new contributors know they should add a reference, e.g. when > writing a new article > * If they know that they should add a reference, how many know how to > recognize a good reference from a poor one > * How many new contributors, if they know that they should add a > reference, can figure out how to actually make this happen (assuming they > know the url already) > * Assuming that they can find the reference button, and know their URL, in > how many cases does the auto-convert feature work? (we could test this by > taking a random sample of reference URLs, and entering them in the > reference insertion tool) > > These are not just technical problems - some of them are more about > awareness (we can focus for example a little less on copyright, and more on > other quality aspects) or good documentation (how to recognize a good > source?). I also suspect that these numbers might vary quite a bit across > communities/countries. > > In my personal experience, it is hard to add references to articles even > if all the 'social' steps work smoothly (they often dont!). Maybe my sample > is biased, but it feels like I get much more often an error in nlwiki when > I try to convert a url to a citation, than in enwiki. Does anyone know if > this is indeed the case? Is anyone tracking statistics on this? > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:03 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello >> >> Some wikis have added the requirement to add citations at the edit >> summary step. But it is clearly too late in the process, as users just want >> to publish. Some users will add citations as a second step, but it might be >> too late, as the edit has a great chance of being reverted meanwhile. >> >> You might be interested in the Editing team's current project, Edit check >> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Edit_check>. >> >> This project aims to provide in-context help by checking on the edit. The >> first iteration is "Reference Check": if a user adds a paragraph with zero >> source, they are encouraged to add one. We are currently testing it at 22 >> Wikipedias, to verify if the prompt to add citations is not blocking users. >> >> You can test it at your wiki using an URL parameter: >> 1. Edit any article in the main namespace using the VisualEditor. >> 2. Add &ecenable=1 to the URL in your browser. -- For example in Dutch, >> as Romaine started the thread: >> https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zon&veaction=edit&ecenable=1 >> 3. Reload the page with the new URL. >> 4. Create a new paragraph, that is at least 50 characters long without >> adding a citation >> 5. Press the Publish… Notice the prompt that appears >> 6. Test is completed, don't save your edit unless you know what you are >> doing. >> >> All edits are tagged, so that you can find them in Recent Changes or in >> your Watchlist. If a user selects "no" after the prompt, they have to >> select a reason why. That reason is tagged as well, easing experienced >> users' work on patrolling and improving these edits. >> >> We will soon add a message if the added citation is listed on >> MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or MediaWiki:BlockedExternalDomains.json. >> >> As Edit Check only checks the first paragraph added, the next iteration >> will be to add multi-Reference checks. We are currently working on the >> design for multi-checks. >> >> Of course, Edit Check is not limited to adding citations. We can imagine >> other ways to close the tap. Your suggestions are welcomed, as are your >> questions. >> >> Thank you, >> -- >> Benoît Evellin - Trizek_(WMF) (he/him) >> Community Relations Specialist >> Wikimedia Foundation >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RWQIXLQEBNC62THG5J4TY7OCHCKRAPUF/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/Z4Q5NQEEOM4SACUUIBKQRSMM3EVG6WMV/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] -- Boodarwun Gnangarra 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardon nlangan Nyungar koortabodjar'
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