That's OK. I have much bigger platforms. My apologies for the ultra-offensive reference to...flatulence.
Best, Dan On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:03 PM Jackie <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dan, > > I hear that you are upset by the suggestion and likely implementation of a > Universal Code of Conduct. I also hear that you feel like this is a > WMF-driven project. I cannot change your opinion about the UCoC, but I can > say your feelings about this being a WMF-driven project are untrue. It > doesn't matter how strongly you feel this, it's actually many groups of > people working together. It was determined as a major need during > discussions I had as part of the Community Health Working Group and I am > glad to see this moving forward. > > I am glad you feel comfortable expressing yourself and your feelings about > the UCoC. I also would like to say the way in which people express > themselves and mask insults as "lively discussion" is a huge reason why we > need a UCoC. To that point, I agree with Isaac and would suggest you share > in a (collegiate) conversation on the Meta talk page. I just cannot take > you seriously with the language you used in your email. I, however, would > love to take your comments seriously and have you engage in a good-faith > discussion about the UCoC. > > Our roles in the discussion should consider not only our needs as > individuals but the needs of the broader communities. To dismiss the UCoC > is failing to recognize privilege and power structures and their effect on > people in and outside of the Wikimedia community. > > Best, > > Jackie > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 1:42 PM Isaac Olatunde <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello Dan, > > > > You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better > and > > more useful on the Draft talk page. > > > > That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the > proceedings", > > you probably expected a different model where different language > > Wikip(m)edia community would be represented or vote on weather to have a > > UCoC. > > > > The current model isn't bad. I do think we should review the draft and > if > > there are specific wording we disagree with, we can either suggest > > improvement or removal altogether. I honestly think we need to help and > > support the drafting committee at this stage. > > > > Regards > > > > Isaac > > > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 19:25 Dan Szymborski, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS that I'd really like to > > get a > > > $10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an > opinion > > on > > > proceedings with no effective vote or representation in the proceedings > > is > > > about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd prefer the WMF keep its > > flatulence > > > to itself. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Isaac Olatunde < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or > > WMF > > > > as we are allowed to comment on the draft, and suggest improvement. > > > > > > > > I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything > > that > > > > looks like an "imposition" > > > > > > > > The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to the existing > > policy > > > or > > > > guidelines but a behavioural guidelines expected of users in any > > > Wikimedia > > > > project. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Isaac > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 16:11 Dan Szymborski, <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without > > > > > community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound. > > > Doubly > > > > > so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has > arbitrarily > > > > > denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the > > > > > community seats, to voice their opinions of actions that WMF has > > taken > > > > over > > > > > the last 18 months. A collaborative process is a collaborative > > process > > > > when > > > > > it's actually a collaborative process, not just when it's called > one. > > > > > > > > > > The best use of time at this point is to organize the communities > to > > > use > > > > > every means at its disposal to resist such an imposition. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, > which > > > the > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this > year > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces > > > > > > >, > > > > > > for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until > > > October > > > > > 6, > > > > > > 2020. > > > > > > > > > > > > The UCoC Drafting Committee > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > > > > > > >wants > > > > > > to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for > you > > or > > > > > your > > > > > > work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > improved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with > > > > > translations > > > > > > so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please join the conversation > > > > > > < > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review > > > > > > > > > and share this email with others who may be interested to join, > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of > > > Conduct > > > > > > page > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and > > the > > > > FAQ > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>, > > on > > > > > Meta. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces > > > > > > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review > > > > > > [4] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Patrick Earley > > > > > > Policy Manager, Trust and Safety > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > Jackie Koerner, Ph.D. > jackiekoerner.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
