Hello Dan, You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better and more useful on the Draft talk page.
That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the proceedings", you probably expected a different model where different language Wikip(m)edia community would be represented or vote on weather to have a UCoC. The current model isn't bad. I do think we should review the draft and if there are specific wording we disagree with, we can either suggest improvement or removal altogether. I honestly think we need to help and support the drafting committee at this stage. Regards Isaac On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 19:25 Dan Szymborski, <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS that I'd really like to get a > $10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an opinion on > proceedings with no effective vote or representation in the proceedings is > about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd prefer the WMF keep its flatulence > to itself. > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Isaac Olatunde <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or WMF > > as we are allowed to comment on the draft, and suggest improvement. > > > > I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything that > > looks like an "imposition" > > > > The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to the existing policy > or > > guidelines but a behavioural guidelines expected of users in any > Wikimedia > > project. > > > > Regards > > > > Isaac > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 16:11 Dan Szymborski, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without > > > community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound. > Doubly > > > so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has arbitrarily > > > denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the > > > community seats, to voice their opinions of actions that WMF has taken > > over > > > the last 18 months. A collaborative process is a collaborative process > > when > > > it's actually a collaborative process, not just when it's called one. > > > > > > The best use of time at this point is to organize the communities to > use > > > every means at its disposal to resist such an imposition. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > > > We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, which > the > > > > Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this year > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces > > > > >, > > > > for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until > October > > > 6, > > > > 2020. > > > > > > > > The UCoC Drafting Committee > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > > > > >wants > > > > to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for you or > > > your > > > > work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what > could > > > be > > > > improved? > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with > > > translations > > > > so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please join the conversation > > > > < > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review> > > > > and share this email with others who may be interested to join, too. > > > > > > > > To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of > Conduct > > > > page > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and the > > FAQ > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>, on > > > Meta. > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces > > > > > > > > [3] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review > > > > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Patrick Earley > > > > Policy Manager, Trust and Safety > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
