I am not in anyway surprise at this nonsensical behavior of Yann. This user once posted a misleading information about me and when asked to correct it they issued a block threat.
It's just terrible. Isaac On Mon, May 13, 2019, 5:46 PM David Gerard <[email protected] wrote: > Yann, you SERIOUSLY need to back up this claim of "dishonesty" on the > part of a Wikmedian of long experience. Your assumption of bad faith > here is stupendous. > > You can't simultaneously complain of the workload, then work this hard > to drive people away. > > > - d. > > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 05:10, Yann Forget <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This was reverted. It is a dishonest edit with a misleading summary. > > > > Regards, > > Yann > > Jai Jagat 2020 Grand March Coordinator > > https://www.jaijagat2020.org/ > > +91-74 34 93 33 58 (also WhatsApp) > > > > > > > > Le dim. 12 mai 2019 à 19:59, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > > This episode exposes a policy of Commons that may be unknown to many > folks > > > - the precautionary principle. > > > > > > It is an explicit exception to assuming good faith, so I noted this on > the > > > AGF page on Commons. > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Assume_good_faith&oldid=prev&diff=349650525 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:23 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > As I am the author of the post, some remarks: > > > > > > > > * Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most > of > > > the > > > > Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place > is > > > > unfair and nonsense. > > > > * Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to > > > think > > > > on experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying > to > > > > convince to upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't > know > > > how > > > > to communicate and why they must do it. > > > > * The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the > > > > author. Period. > > > > * Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying > which > > > is > > > > the original work is not a good practice. > > > > * Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great > > > > job-queue. But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this > can > > > > take a whole year of volunteer work. > > > > * After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was > > > able > > > > to point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone. > > > > > > > > Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have > > > less > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Galder > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Wikimedia-l <[email protected]> on > behalf of > > > > Vi to <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:35 PM > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach > > > > > > > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete > images > > > on > > > > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come > > > from > > > > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. > > > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons > interested in > > > > > having more admins? > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay > for > > > > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a > > > > > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be > > > > > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to > see > > > > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be > > > > > > reduced.[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping > > > > > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make > mass > > > > > > housekeeping very easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic > image > > > > > > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a > Commons > > > hat > > > > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use > than > > > > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to > suck > > > > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, > that > > > > > > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were > > > > > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive > short > > > > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the > useful > > > > > > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Google_has_opened_an_API_for_image_recognition > > > > > > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash > > > > > > > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores > > > support > > > > > for > > > > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with > the > > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > material it has to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing > or > > > > > capable > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all > > > undeleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing > several > > > > > > > > GLAM-related > > > > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page > > > describing > > > > > > what it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you > can > > > > > > create a > > > > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes > with > > > > > > Common's > > > > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to > promote > > > > you > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for > uploaders, > > > but > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright > > > > violating > > > > > > > > files a > > > > > > > > > > day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have > to > > > > cope > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and > after > > > > some > > > > > > time - > > > > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... > and the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - > > > > screening > > > > > > > > uploads > > > > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the > > > > Commons > > > > > > > > > components > > > > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia > > > Commons: a > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at > the > > > > > > Education > > > > > > > > > >> Newsletter > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an > Outreach > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and > comeone > > > on > > > > > > Commons > > > > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be > > > student > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. 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