Excuse for what? Whatever process is used needs to have integrity to be accepted. We are supposed to be inclusive and transparent, right?
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 15:15 David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com wrote: > Forgive me, but this is coming across as hopping from excuse to excuse. > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 18:03, Dennis During <dcdur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly. In this case I > > think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process > applied. > > I hope that the process that Gerard recommends has been validated in some > > way that meets with broad, nearly universal approval. > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That > database > > > is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own > > > medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is > > > controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral > > > point of view. So while Croation sources are fine, they need to be > balanced > > > for a NPOV. When sources with a different viewpoint are available, > ignoring > > > them is not an option. > > > > > > At the same time, there are sources that have been found to be > > > untrustworthy. At some stage, sources, any and all sources can be > assessed > > > and even rejected. > > > > > > Admins and bureaucrats have their authority because they promise to > adhere > > > to the universal Wikipedia policies, the other reason is the trust > their > > > community gave them at one time. In the end, we have the mechanisms > and the > > > methods to assess the NPOV and the quality of articles. We have the > > > mechanisms and methods to assess the functioning of people who are > trusted > > > to adhere to our policies. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge. > > > > > > > > Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect > > > > (completely) others. > > > > > > > > If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the > same > > > > pillars of Wikipedia are infringed. > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During <dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, > et al > > > > as > > > > > the new press barons? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > Dennis C. 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