WereSpielCheckers... point taken noting that the minimum figure has shifted from 0.75k to 1k, let leave it at that
On 16 October 2017 at 17:30, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Gnangarra > > I've heard bad things about the articles for creation process, but a > minimum of either 1.5 kb or 2,000 bytes of prose is a new one on me. Can > you link to that part of the AFC rules? I have reread things such as > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/ > Reviewing_instructions and found one perfectly sensible comment about > deleting single sentence "articles". But 1,000 bytes would be a jolly long > sentence. AFC has its flaws, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but is > it really as flawed as you assert? > > As for the women in red contest, you might want to read the rules, and if > you have concerns there is a currently redlinked talkpage. > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_ > talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest/Rules& > action=edit&redlink=1 > > I've made a couple of bold tweaks to the competition rules myself, but they > did already cover notability and of course copyvio. Though a contest aimed > at existing editors is less likely to hit problems in those areas as an > outreach editathon targeted at new editors - there we do need to explain > our notability rules and sadly often teach people about copyright and > plagiarism. > > As for criticising a project for aiming for 100,000 articles when they only > have 4 judges and 108 participants, it is two weeks until it starts and > they have a watchlist notice up to recruit more people either as > participants or judges note > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_ > in_Red/The_World_Contest/Rules > -* "If you want to help judge the contest or help out with running it > please ensure that you add your name in the judges section on the main > page"* I could understand at the end of a project having that sort of > criticism if they had got ambitious but not tried to recruit enough > participants. However at this stage such criticism is premature and > probably misdirected. A more nuanced view would be to look at the end and > check whether they succeeded in their objective and whether they achieved > sufficient participation both of editors and judges. Criticising a project > that doesn't start for another two weeks for having insufficient judges and > participants when it currently in a major site wide recruitment drive for > judges and participants seems premature to me. > > Alternatively one could look at the objective and ask whether creating > 100,000 articles on women was sufficient, insufficient or excessive to deal > with the known gender gap in our coverage. The 100,000 target looks about > right to me and it will be interesting to see how much progress people can > make on it in a one month contest, but if someone is uncomfortable about it > it would be sensible to go through the figures and check if that is an > appropriate target for the problem. Treating such an ambitious target as a > problem without acknowledging that Wikipedia has coverage gaps on that > scale comes across almost as denial of the problem. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:02:50 +0800 > > From: Gnangarra <[email protected]> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red > > Message-ID: > > <CAD==kbLkFbP+MKzQ=wg4ApZXVqMyp1osM6tNL8i8==K-PL+ZCg@mail. > > gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > I cant believe this > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in > > _Red/The_World_Contest > > has > > got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on > > english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impact on the > > community. > > > > I find it ironic that a competition is being funded to encourage current > > contributors to do what we wont accept from new editors. If a new editor > > was to create an article it wouldnt pass through the Articles for > Creation > > process because its half the size of the minimum set there. Many of the > > competition articles will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2 > > > > While there is a nice bot that will count the size of the prose, there is > > no automated process for checking copyright violations, checking for > > notability and most importantly checking for BLP with the aim of 100,000 > > the community will years to clean up the mess that is about to be > created. > > > > we are 15 days from this disaster commencing > > > > -- > > G > > nangarra > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:47:30 -0600 > > From: James Heilman <[email protected]> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red > > Message-ID: > > <CAF1en7ULzbw+6Gf7c1=HNoFX-pRvM7A4FdYCfp9HusVk+3Kg8w@mail. > > gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Correction: > > > > There is a tool that automatically checks for copyright infringement. > > It is called CopyPatrol > > > > https://tools.wmflabs.org/copypatrol/en > > > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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