We do have a somewhat successful journal here on Wikiversity https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine
The journal provides peer review and people are publishing under their real names. Could such a journal publish oral histories? Sure why not. We would just need a group of volunteers interested in pushing the initiative forwards. With more engagement maybe the WikiJournals could one day become a full fledged sister site. James On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > Oral stories do adapt and change over time to suit the circumstances but > the under lying fact remain consistent as in the case of Ziko's story that > a King divided his realm amongst his sons thus forming the basis of the > regions, whether its 5,7,9 or some other figure its still the same. We were > once one group until an elder, respected, leader created multiple we are > separate groups yet we are all the same. This same thing has occurred > regularly across europe as well even now borders are still shifting. > > When recording intangible sources two things must remain consistent, we > need to record the voice that the story is being spoken for and recognise > that different voice will tell different stories because they have > different perspectives, just like "eyewitness" accounts. The other thing > is to recognise that when recording these stories we aren't setting them in > stone creating or selecting a single definitive narrative. > > - example: > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Bulyit#Oral_Accounts > > > Whether we deal with oral sources within a stand alone project or within > the specific language wikipedia becomes irrelevant, if we want to include > Indigenous knowledge we have accept and work with the ways in which that > particular Indigenous knowledge is shared. > > It will be project anyone can edit, because its just like the written > knowledge we now share and modify, because you have box doesn't mean it has > to be a cube. > > On 5 October 2017 at 15:19, Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I guess for the same reason we never managed to run a successful journal, >> despite talking about this for about ten years. This project would need to >> have infrastructure comparable with the infrastructure needed to run an >> academic publishing house - editors, referees etc, which at this point >> looks insurmountable. And it will not be a project anyone can edit, which >> is a new entity in a Wikimedia universe. >> >> Cheers >> Yaroslav >> >> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Peter Southwood < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I agree that is the current situation, but why should we not have such a >> > project (in theory - in practice I could list several obstacles, possibly >> > surmountable) >> > Cheers, >> > Peter >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On >> > Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 9:54 PM >> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - >> > Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25) >> > >> > Yes, but if oral tradition is recorded at the academic standard, why >> > should we be the first publication venue? Usually these people just >> publish >> > books in academic publishing houses. >> > >> > Cheers >> > Yaroslav >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Peter Southwood < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > There may be a way to do it on another project designed for the >> > > purpose, but that cannot be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any >> > > project that allows anonymous editing could manage it credibly. Oral >> > > tradition would at least have to be sourced to the teller, and would >> > > have to be recorded by a reliable and identified recorder, who can be >> > > held responsible for their due diligence. This would not be an easy >> > > thing for a crowdsourced project, but anything less would be like a >> > magnet for everything we don't want. >> > > Cheers, >> > > Peter >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On >> > > Behalf Of Chandres Wikipedia >> > > Sent: Wednesday, 04 October 2017 9:25 PM >> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - >> > > Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25) >> > > >> > > I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in >> > > Wikipedia today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it. >> > > >> > > Just to give you an illustration: >> > > >> > > Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in >> > > French rely only on the work of only few French historian. Without >> > > saying they are not honest, I find difficult to consider that there >> > > words have really so more value than the words of the Ancient of the >> > African tribes. >> > > >> > > We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not >> > > forget that the « traditional western historian work » are not exempt >> > of bias too. >> > > >> > > Charles >> > > >> > > PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it >> > > may be caused by a misconception from my part. >> > > >> > > These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, >> > > very different each other I think. >> > > urban <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English> legend < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English> (plural urban legends < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English>) >> > > A widely circulated story <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story> that >> > > is untrue <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue> or apocryphal < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal>, often having elements of >> > > humour <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour> or horror < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror>. >> > > oral <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English> tradition < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English> (countable < >> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable> and >> > > uncountable >> > > <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>, >> > > plural oral traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/ >> > > wiki/oral_traditions#English>) >> > > Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted >> > > < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit> orally from one generation >> > > < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation> to another. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> a écrit >> : >> > > > >> > > > You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between >> > > > them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A >> > > > legend is a legend, be it urban or not. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers >> > > > Yaroslav >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia >> > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >>> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is >> > > >>> likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to >> > > >>> differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which >> > > >>> state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the >> > > >>> Zionist Occupational Government), >> > > >> but >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban >> > > >> legend >> > > ». >> > > >> TO my understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the >> > > >> History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken >> > > >> way and never put on paper. 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