Thank you, Shani. My new favorite word is "automagically". And thank you all for working on new ideas for list moderation. /a
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Shani Evenstein <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Wikimedia-l, > > Rogol has been placed under moderation, but at this point no decision has > been made to ban him from the list. As long as his messages are reasonable, > respectful and on point, his messages will go through. We agreed that it is > important to allow a diversity of voices to be heard, including those of > "frequent flyers" in the list, especially as we work collaboratively on > next steps towards a healthier community atmosphere. > > In addition, we are asking everyone to refrain from focusing on specific > individuals posting to the list, put any personal issues aside and stay on > problem. We want as many people as possible to productively and objectively > participate in the discussion, till we draft clearer guidelines for posting > to the list. We are aware that these guidelines will not automagically fix > all of our issues as a global community, but we believe they will help > reduce the noise substantially. Do keep on debating. We are trying to > intervene as little as possible at this point and let the debate run its > course. > > Best, > Shani Evenstein, on behalf of the Wikimedia-l Admins. > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:52 PM, James Salsman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Why are we having this RFC prior to the survey which was discussed at > > length less than a year ago? > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_Salsman# > > Periodic_survey_prototype > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Robert Fernandez > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since Rogol has followed through on his threat he should be banned from > > the > > > list, or we should have a public statement from the moderators > regarding > > > why they will not do so. > > > > > > I can't imagine many actions that would have a more chilling effect on > > > participation here than one of this list's most frequent posters > > contacting > > > your employer because he disagrees with what you have to say. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Joseph Seddon <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Since you kindly emailed my line manage Rogol, I wanted to confirm > that > > my > > >> choice of words were very carefully chosen. > > >> > > >> And I stand by them. > > >> > > >> Seddon > > >> > > >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Rogol Domedonfors < > > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Joseph > > >> > > > >> > I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so > too. I > > >> said > > >> > that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity > To > > >> the > > >> > extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to > ask > > >> how > > >> > that personal information is going to be handled. For some reason, > > you > > >> > seem keen to derail that part of the discussion by elevating a > quibble > > >> over > > >> > your hasty misunderstanding of my wording into an accusation, which > I > > >> > reject, of generalised misconduct. If you have some comment to make > > >> about > > >> > the handling of personal information, please do so. > > >> > > > >> > May I suggest that you withdraw your original posting, apologise to > > the > > >> > membership of this list for the unconstructive nature of your > posting, > > >> and > > >> > to me for its aggressive, insulting and incorrect content. > > >> Alternatively, > > >> > perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is > > the > > >> > sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum. > > >> > > > >> > Reginald > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Joseph Seddon < > [email protected] > > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Real identity does not equal real-life identity. You can mask your > > >> > > pseudonymous identity and pose as a third party similarly > > pseudonymous > > >> > > individual. > > >> > > > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet) > > >> > > > > >> > > Seddon > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> > > New messages to: [email protected] > > >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >> > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > > unsubscribe> > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> > New messages to: [email protected] > > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Seddon > > >> > > >> *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* > > >> *Wikimedia Foundation* > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
