Dear Wikimedia-l, Rogol has been placed under moderation, but at this point no decision has been made to ban him from the list. As long as his messages are reasonable, respectful and on point, his messages will go through. We agreed that it is important to allow a diversity of voices to be heard, including those of "frequent flyers" in the list, especially as we work collaboratively on next steps towards a healthier community atmosphere.
In addition, we are asking everyone to refrain from focusing on specific individuals posting to the list, put any personal issues aside and stay on problem. We want as many people as possible to productively and objectively participate in the discussion, till we draft clearer guidelines for posting to the list. We are aware that these guidelines will not automagically fix all of our issues as a global community, but we believe they will help reduce the noise substantially. Do keep on debating. We are trying to intervene as little as possible at this point and let the debate run its course. Best, Shani Evenstein, on behalf of the Wikimedia-l Admins. On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:52 PM, James Salsman <[email protected]> wrote: > Why are we having this RFC prior to the survey which was discussed at > length less than a year ago? > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_Salsman# > Periodic_survey_prototype > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Robert Fernandez > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since Rogol has followed through on his threat he should be banned from > the > > list, or we should have a public statement from the moderators regarding > > why they will not do so. > > > > I can't imagine many actions that would have a more chilling effect on > > participation here than one of this list's most frequent posters > contacting > > your employer because he disagrees with what you have to say. > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Joseph Seddon <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Since you kindly emailed my line manage Rogol, I wanted to confirm that > my > >> choice of words were very carefully chosen. > >> > >> And I stand by them. > >> > >> Seddon > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Rogol Domedonfors < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Joseph > >> > > >> > I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so too. I > >> said > >> > that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity To > >> the > >> > extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to ask > >> how > >> > that personal information is going to be handled. For some reason, > you > >> > seem keen to derail that part of the discussion by elevating a quibble > >> over > >> > your hasty misunderstanding of my wording into an accusation, which I > >> > reject, of generalised misconduct. If you have some comment to make > >> about > >> > the handling of personal information, please do so. > >> > > >> > May I suggest that you withdraw your original posting, apologise to > the > >> > membership of this list for the unconstructive nature of your posting, > >> and > >> > to me for its aggressive, insulting and incorrect content. > >> Alternatively, > >> > perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is > the > >> > sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum. > >> > > >> > Reginald > >> > > >> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Joseph Seddon <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Real identity does not equal real-life identity. You can mask your > >> > > pseudonymous identity and pose as a third party similarly > pseudonymous > >> > > individual. > >> > > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet) > >> > > > >> > > Seddon > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > > New messages to: [email protected] > >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > New messages to: [email protected] > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Seddon > >> > >> *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* > >> *Wikimedia Foundation* > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
