Thanks for the reminder about that message, I had actually forgotten about it. -Andrew
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Andrea Zanni <[email protected]> wrote: > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!): > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011- > September/thread.html > > There are several threads worth revisiting: > I was looking for an old-but-great Andrew Lih's post about Wikinews², and I > re-discovered that a project had forkedfrom Wikinews in 2011³: it was > called the http://theopenglobe.org, and (spoiler) it's now dead. > > Generally speaking, I think that Jimmy experimenting with another project > speaks volume: > and I do think it's a good idea. > > Simply put, we have a lot of zombie projects, and we¹ never had the will to > do the tough decision > of killing them... *or* really investing in them. > At the moment, the actual policy with sister projects (all of them, minus > Wikidata), is > "don't ask don't tell". > > The communities do what they can, and what they cannot do they don't. > There is no non-volunteer development, and even no knowledge about sister > projects, both within the WMF and the rest of the movement. Wikipedians > rarely go in sister projects. > > I really hope this Strategy process will be seen by the larger community as > the right chance to discuss all this. A lot of strategy statements go into > the direction "collect/provide all written and oral knowledge ever > produced", which is more or less our vision, and this is why we thought to > create non-encyclopedic projects in the first place (a image archive; a > library; a dictionary; a quote compendium; etc.). > > It's probably time that we have this conversation. > > Aubrey > (your friendly occasional Nemo) > Wikisource Community User Group > > > <http://theopenglobe.org> > ¹ meaning, *we* that live on these mailing lists > ² this: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011- > September/068381.html > ³ > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011- > September/068290.html > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ariel Glenn WMF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > > The articles I've read on the new venture have been like appetizers, > > providing just enough information to generate a new list of questions. > :-) > > So, in no particular order, here are some things that came to mind: > > > > Will the focus be investigative journalism, or "deep dives" in the manner > > of newsdeeply.com, or breaking news, or something else? > > > > AIUI, fact-checking will be done by community volunteers in the > > collaborative manner of Wikipedia; will they flag information that they > > consider to be problematic, annotate draft news articles with comments > and > > questions, revise drafts themselves,...? > > > > The website shows an initial goal of ten journalists to be hired; does > this > > include copy editors as well? And more generally, how will copy editing > be > > handled? > > > > With what frequency do you envision news to be published, e.g. a weekly > > magazine, a daily feed of several short pieces and one feature article, > > ...? > > > > Who will have access to journalists' notes and other raw materials? How > > will sources be protected while permitting maximum participation of > > community volunteers in the vetting/fact-checking process? Will there be > > provision for leakers, i.e. some sort of SecureDrop thing? If so, how > will > > that be handled? > > > > Will guides be produced around vetting of information, like e.g. the > guide > > at verificationhandbook.com? More generally, how will community members > > learn vetting and verification skills for journalism? > > > > How will good-faith disputes around fact-checking be resolved and by > whom? > > How will trolls be handled? > > > > Will Wikitribune journalists collaborate with other groups doing > > like-minded work, for example bellingcat.com? > > > > I gather that there are developers working on this project too, at least > on > > wordpress hacking; are they also part of the crowdfunding? More > generally, > > is budget/staffing information available or will it be soon? > > > > What roles will the four named advisors play in this project, with their > > specific skillsets? > > > > In an ever shrinking paid market for journalism, where funding is harder > > and harder to come by and many publications have closed their doors or > > turned digital-only, what are your thoughts about competing in that > market, > > both as a job provider and potentially taking subscribers from other > media? > > > > Please feel free to ramble on at length about these topics as much as you > > like; I'm interested in the broader picture and not just the specific > > details :-) > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > Ariel > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Jimmy Wales <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, > > > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with > > > all of you information about this new initiative early on. > > > > > > The new project will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with > > > bringing together professional journalists and community contributors > to > > > produce fact-checked, global news stories. At launch, we'll be using a > > > hacked version of wordpress and we'll be evaluating whether that's the > > > right tool moving forward. Wordpress has a lot to > > > commend it (free software, mature platform, used by lots of newsrooms, > > > active developer ecosystem) but also has some philosophy that's quite > > > "top down" in a way. > > > (Not many people would think in a wiki way when setting up a newsroom!) > > > > > > This new initiative, Wikitribune, will be a learning experience - my > > > vision is one that I've had a hard time explaining... except to > > > Wikimedians who tend to immediately > > > get it. > > > > > > While I am launching this project independent from Wikipedia and the > > > Wikimedia Foundation, it is my plan that this new project will work > > > alongside Wikimedia in the free knowledge movement. For example, I hope > > > that the numerous Wikinews/Wikinoticias/Wikinotizie/etc. communities > can > > > collaborate with the Wikitribune community in way that allows both to > > > learn and benefit from each other. Additionally, Wikitribune will > > > utilize the same Creative Commons license (CC-BY) as other free content > > > projects in > > > the news space - so they can take the stories written by our > > > professional journalists and communities and make use of them. > > > > > > You can find out more information about Wikitribune at: > > > https://www.wikitribune.com > > > > > > Thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer questions! (But I'm > > > quite swamped with everything at the moment so please forgive me if I > > > answer in bursts!) > > > > > > --Jimbo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
