`What we actually need is clarity from the en:wp arbcom. They could easily say "yes Legal has advised X but we are stricter", and note that they have already banned users for outing blatant bad faith spammers. GorillaWarfare's commentary on this, both personal and speaking for the arbcom, are probably required at this point.
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On 19 January 2017 at 14:23, James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay I have been bold and started a list of the known banned socks of > companies involved in undisclosed paid editing > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_Editing_Companies > > I have also started the discussion of the policy implications of such a > list here and will not work further on the list further until the policy > discussions are complete > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Socks_of_undisclosed_paid_WP_editing_companies > > Best > James > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If we had such a list of known bad actors created by the WMF we could than >> more easily apply the G5 speedy deletion criteria. >> >> It is easier to associate an undisclosed paid editor with the company they >> are from than with their previous sock accounts. >> >> James >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for this Jacob. >>> >>> Would you please address Legal's approach to the following scenario: a >>> company advertises Wikipedia editing services for clients, and there is no >>> disclosure of paid editing by an editor employed by or affiliated with the >>> company on Wikipedia. (In other words, a company is obviously not >>> following the Terms of Use). >>> >>> In my view, this is a situation where I would think that Legal should >>> start >>> a discussion with that company, and if those discussions fail to yield a >>> change in behavior, Legal should then make a public statement indicating >>> this, perhaps on the page you recently posted under a section entitled >>> something like: "Companies that advertise Wikipedia editing services that >>> have no disclosures on Wikipedia". If a company starts to disclose then >>> of >>> course the listing could be modified. >>> >>> This is something that editors ~could~ do, but as the ToU are issued by >>> the >>> WMF, it would seem more appropriate for WMF to do. >>> >>> But I am interested to hear Legal's perspective. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a >>> longer >>> > statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the >>> > communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. >>> We >>> > tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain >>> > when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does >>> > explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the >>> WMF >>> > trademarks. >>> > >>> > You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and >>> > outing >>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_ >>> > Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing> >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Jacob >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Jacob Rogers >>> > Legal Counsel >>> > Wikimedia Foundation >>> > >>> > NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged >>> > information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please >>> > delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the >>> > Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal >>> advice >>> > to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff >>> > members in their personal capacity. 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