Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a return on their hard-won skills.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:23 PM, James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay I have been bold and started a list of the known banned socks of > companies involved in undisclosed paid editing > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_Editing_Companies > > I have also started the discussion of the policy implications of such a > list here and will not work further on the list further until the policy > discussions are complete > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment# > Socks_of_undisclosed_paid_WP_editing_companies > > Best > James > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If we had such a list of known bad actors created by the WMF we could > than > > more easily apply the G5 speedy deletion criteria. > > > > It is easier to associate an undisclosed paid editor with the company > they > > are from than with their previous sock accounts. > > > > James > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Thanks for this Jacob. > >> > >> Would you please address Legal's approach to the following scenario: a > >> company advertises Wikipedia editing services for clients, and there is > no > >> disclosure of paid editing by an editor employed by or affiliated with > the > >> company on Wikipedia. (In other words, a company is obviously not > >> following the Terms of Use). > >> > >> In my view, this is a situation where I would think that Legal should > >> start > >> a discussion with that company, and if those discussions fail to yield a > >> change in behavior, Legal should then make a public statement indicating > >> this, perhaps on the page you recently posted under a section entitled > >> something like: "Companies that advertise Wikipedia editing services > that > >> have no disclosures on Wikipedia". If a company starts to disclose then > >> of > >> course the listing could be modified. > >> > >> This is something that editors ~could~ do, but as the ToU are issued by > >> the > >> WMF, it would seem more appropriate for WMF to do. > >> > >> But I am interested to hear Legal's perspective. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a > >> longer > >> > statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the > >> > communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. > >> We > >> > tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and > explain > >> > when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does > >> > explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the > >> WMF > >> > trademarks. > >> > > >> > You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing > and > >> > outing > >> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_ > >> > Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing> > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Jacob > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Jacob Rogers > >> > Legal Counsel > >> > Wikimedia Foundation > >> > > >> > NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged > >> > information in it. If you have received this message by accident, > please > >> > delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the > >> > Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal > >> advice > >> > to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff > >> > members in their personal capacity. 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