Yes, that too. Pine On Oct 4, 2015 12:02 AM, "Carlos M. Colina" <[email protected]> wrote:
> All of this could be read as "let's make a call for community input for > the sake of political correctness, so the community thinks their opinion is > important for us....but we have taken the decision several months ago > anyway". > > M. > > El 04/10/2015 a las 02:38 a.m., Florence Devouard escribió: > >> Le 04/10/15 00:13, Nathan a écrit : >> >>> Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal has >>> been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process that >>> completed this past August. [1] >>> >>> It seems like the community could have been looped into this new method >>> before it was a done deal. >>> >>> ~Nathan >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >> >> As member of this community, I would to shortly comment in my individual >> capacity. >> >> The situation is completely embarassing. Yeah, it is. >> >> The community met during Wikimania. >> - We discussed committee membership. >> - We discussed moving away from the current bidding process, which is, - >> in our opinion, broken >> - We discussed making Montreal our choice, to be announced at the >> *earliest* convenience (keep in mind this was discussed in July), as part >> of our new process but only after talking with the Montreal team >> - We finally discussed a notion of location with global areas >> Very rough notes of that meeting were posted on meta : >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/2015-07-16 >> >> We closed that meeting with the following todos >> - Ellie had to check with Montreal (which she did) >> - James had to propose areas (which he did) >> - the committee had to meet again a month later (which it did) >> >> When August meeting came, >> - we discussed and finalized membership (keep in mind that not all >> members were in July meeting and not all members were in August meeting) >> - Ellie informed us that Montreal team was happy to move forward and we >> planned an announcement >> - James proposed a set of areas, with propositions for the coming years >> - James proposed a draft of announcement >> >> AND THIS IS WHERE THE WHOLE SITUATION BUGGED >> >> The announcement of the new bidding system, the locations and Montreal >> were in one document only. And the problem is that the committee did not >> agree collectively with the area chosen, nor with the predetermination >> proposed. >> (I, in particular, indicated my (very) deep disagreement that middle and >> south africa were completely excluded from the list. I expressed my >> (serious) desire that the decision of the rotation places be not made now >> by the committee, but with community input). The committee concluded that >> 1) the draft announcement was to be reworked and that 2) we would announce >> the new system and seek input from the community before its finalization in >> the following weeks. >> >> This was over a month ago. Since then, what happened ? We made some >> improvements to the draft. Iolanda tried to push for the announcement of >> the new process and of Montreal to be made. Ellie noted that the organizer >> of Montreal was on a leave for 3 weeks and that she would prefer to wait >> his return and a visit to Canada to finalize things more, and that she >> would rather that the new process be announced as part of a larger >> community consultation that would include discussion both about the program >> and the future location, to be held in October. >> >> And there you are... there is this...dual situation between ... the >> community wanting to know as soon as possible, so as to weigth in the >> decision... and the staff... who want to polish things as much as possible >> before any public announcement and call for input. And of course... these >> two tendancies are not fully compatible. >> And a pinch of feeling of "non ownership" from committee members, as only >> the Chair of the committee should be the one to finalize and send the >> announcement. >> >> Eh :) >> >> Well, there you are. Now things are out. >> >> We are indeed seriously considering Montreal pending a site visit this >> month (october). >> >> Josh, for the record, I am very sorry because I had no idea you were >> preparing a bid. I thought only Montreal had been really. >> This is actually part of the reasons why we wish to change the biding >> process. We have seen too many teams work like crazy for weeks, even >> months, to prepare a bid that will go nowhere because another city will be >> winning. This is such a loss of energy and time ! We think it would be so >> much positive to get community members to focus more on building a great >> program more than on finding the proper venue/hotel/restaurant etc. >> >> Hopefully, James will be available to post a clearer and complete message >> early next week on that topic. Bottom line is that there is a community >> consultation planned on that topic. >> >> Again, I post this in my personal capacity. >> >> Florence >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > -- > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > Carlos M. Colina > Socio, A.C. 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