Sorry, in the first sentence it should read "wikimania" , not "Wikimedia"
A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 11:19, Paulo Santos Perneta < [email protected]> escreveu: > For us in Portugal joining wikimedia, even in a relatively close city like > Stockholm, without a scholarship stands at a minimum cost of 1000€, which > really is a prohibitive cost for the great majority of people here, > corresponding to way more than a regular full month wage (two minimum > wages, actually). > > 25% of that cost corresponding to fees that even wikimedia volunteers have > to pay does seem quite obscene to me. > > If a significant amount of the cost is going to fancy luxury hotels and > parties - those last ones barred to wikimedians below 18 years, in this > years event - this really should be something to be reviewed. Also, I agree > that it is quite difficult to understand such an high fee in this year > wikimania, where most of the stuff seems to be organized on campus. > > Paulo > > A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 00:32, Gnangarra <[email protected]> > escreveu: > >> As has in previous years been suggested if we want Wikimania to be truly >> inclusive and encourage more people to attend then the WMF should just >> extend the fundraising by a week and use that to subsidise the event making >> it more accessible to everyone. 1,000 particiants at 250€ is just an >> extra 250,000€ to collect, collecting enough to allow 200 scholarships >> would enable greater participation from more communities. >> >> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias in really upscale hotels. I can >>> perfectly understand why renting conference rooms and arranging catering >>> for all participants in a Sheraton or a Hilton is expensive. For instance, >>> Montréal experience in 2017 was pretty much worse 233 USD indeed given that >>> we were in a centrally-located Sheraton. >>> >>> This year we are having a Wikimania on a university campus. Yes, >>> Stockholm is an expensive city, but Montréal is not really cheap either. I >>> can't really understand how a university campus in Stockholm is more than >>> 50% more expensive than a Sheraton in Montréal. >>> >>> I don't say I want these costs unbundled, I am happy to pay for the full >>> experience, but with a price tag that high I would really like to know >>> where all this money will go. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Mykola (NickK) >>> >>> --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- >>> Від кого: "Isarra Yos" <[email protected]> >>> Дата: 2 червня 2019, 18:19:17 >>> >>> On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote: >>> > You're claiming that this year is a higher rate than usual, I don't >>> > think this is actually true. Some context: >>> > - 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board >>> > - 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD) >>> > - 2018: 275 USD >>> 2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value was >>> fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost >>> when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning >>> was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the >>> included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not >>> much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch >>> being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason, >>> and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first >>> place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may >>> indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of >>> fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have >>> been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the >>> Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't >>> think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias >>> were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume. >>> >>> For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians: >>> 2015: $952014: £50.002013: $452012: $352011: $452010: 30-40€2009: $452008: >>> $452007: $40-602006: $902005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus >>> organised a bit differently >>> >>> So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first >>> Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which >>> was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a >>> poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few >>> of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with >>> great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get >>> special support now to even register for the main event for what is >>> supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement? >>> >>> 250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost >>> around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those >>> things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the >>> registration as well. >>> >>> -I >>> >>> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2014-registration-11063436035https://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration >>> (and the same page >>> on other >>> years)https://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Registration&oldid=5931 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >> Out now: A.Gaynor, P. 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